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Konza City. Whats the progress so far?
alma
#61 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:13:59 PM
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llimanika I agree with you totally.

I'm in the school of thought that gov't is not supposed to be an investor. It's supposed to use its resources to facilitate an investor.

If you look at the countries we are trying to emulate, anyone can afford a laptop, a desktop, an ipad, a 4 g phone simply because the structures have been created.

When you look at Kenya. What we are saying is that since people can't afford laptops, lets give them. Instead of lets set up systems so that those that want laptops can get them and those that don't, don't.

Gov't cannot and should never invest in anything other than infrastructure. Others have different ideas but I'll stick to my psedo-capitalist ideals.

You can give me a laptop and force me to be a computer genious. I may just want to do pottery.

As long as gov't taxes me for bread, uses money to buy carpets and allows corrupt fellows to be PS's, no laptop in the world will save the decline that is happening in our education system.

Konza will finish us with the tax bill. Laptops will cost us more than they will reward. There is no way around that.

Keep the eye on the ball. We want Kenyans to be the best in the world.

We need gov't helping the ghaflas not VC's. Too many young guys right now who are jobless. The money on laptops could have given each and every young Kenyan a green house that would have solved the price of food and employement.

Ngoja ngoja kwa IT, takes us to the middle ages.
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alma
#62 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:22:32 PM
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by the way, I'm very happy about the tone of this discussion.

I'm hoping no one brings political issues in this because this isn't one of those threads.

I'm actually reading all the guys including murchr's ideas on this and you never know by the end of this discussion, I may have turned. Or I'll turn him.

So for those bringing jubilee and cord issues here. I would suggest we go to the politics section.

I'm extremely passionate about this because I love my country. I've seen @a4 and murchr are in the same school of thought. We argue because we want to learn more. We are discussing so that we can find a way forward that's the best. Not because we know more or less than anyone else.

I know for a fact that this thread is read by the who's who. So let's not take this to be one of our usual threads and instead bring out arguments that our kids will read and say " enyewe my old man was one stupid mother f***er".
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murchr
#63 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:41:55 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@Gathige..very true. Any reasonable investor will choose Machakos or Kajiado over Konza any time.

If he is not restrained by finances, he will choose areas near CBD such as Karen, Gigiri, Upper Hill, Muthaiga, or along Thika road.
As it is, Konza subscribers are at 80% local. Am sure these local must be entities related to Ministry of ICT mainly to tag along and make Konza look like it has subscribers but in reality, will not invest a dime there.


Its also possible that the locals are proxies working with/for those who want to set up here. Its funny how ppl think Mutua's proposal to give investors land to invest is different from the Konza offer..all that is needed in Konza is the provision of basic infrastructure..roads elec water etc and policy the rest will fall in place.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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symbols
#64 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:05:21 PM
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Tomorrow's illiterate will not be the man who can't read; he will be the man who has not learned how to learn - Alvin Toffler.

Children learn more and better when their younger since they are naturally curious.What we truly need is laptops with a database of knowledge and they'll learn to teach themselves.I know this from my own early exposure to computers and by the time I was 9 I was thinking of AI.

This is about the future of Kenya.Almost everything is integrating with IT and we function in a global knowledge economy where the speed to process and integrate information is crucial to the success of nations and citizens alike.We need those skills if Kenya is going to expand its revenue streams beyond agriculture and tourism and find ways to add value to the resources we possess.

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#65 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:35:18 AM
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@alma..hehe..lol..very funny on the issue about my site being ugly. I designed it myself . 5 years ago there were very few wordpress coders in Kenya. After talking to a few website designers, i realised i will have to learn wordpress interface and come up with something.

This is a good example as to why kids need to be given laptops. This way, a kid in Moyale will get wordpres kowledge and sell services to a website owner in Nairobi. In a country with many IT graduates, 5 years ago there were no wordpress coders in Nairobi coz all educational institutions taught joomla or other inter-phases.

Also, currently, most fundis and watu wa mkono on construction sites can barely use the internet.
If such labour was internet savvy, it would be very easy to marshal construction labour by communcating to fundis through email. This can go a long way in reducing unemployment and construction costs. Most fundis are unemployed coz their contact information is not available easily.
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murchr
#66 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:41:49 AM
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symbols wrote:
Tomorrow's illiterate will not be the man who can't read; he will be the man who has not learned how to learn - Alvin Toffler.

Children learn more and better when their younger since they are naturally curious.What we truly need is laptops with a database of knowledge and they'll learn to teach themselves.I know this from my own early exposure to computers and by the time I was 9 I was thinking of AI.

This is about the future of Kenya.Almost everything is integrating with IT and we function in a global knowledge economy where the speed to process and integrate information is crucial to the success of nations and citizens alike.We need those skills if Kenya is going to expand its revenue streams beyond agriculture and tourism and find ways to add value to the resources we possess.



Ditto!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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#67 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:05:49 AM
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murchr wrote:
symbols wrote:
Tomorrow's illiterate will not be the man who can't read; he will be the man who has not learned how to learn - Alvin Toffler.

Children learn more and better when their younger since they are naturally curious.What we truly need is laptops with a database of knowledge and they'll learn to teach themselves.I know this from my own early exposure to computers and by the time I was 9 I was thinking of AI.

This is about the future of Kenya.Almost everything is integrating with IT and we function in a global knowledge economy where the speed to process and integrate information is crucial to the success of nations and citizens alike.We need those skills if Kenya is going to expand its revenue streams beyond agriculture and tourism and find ways to add value to the resources we possess.



Ditto!


Very well said.Accurate and to the point.
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Jus Blazin
#68 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:49:20 AM
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Microsoft will train all primary school teachers to enable them implement the computer-to-schools programme which I think is for free, as the software giant sells the laptop software at a cheaper cost. In as much as we may hold our grounds on whichever side we see the laptop project at, it's always important to look at the other side of the coin. That's why I concur with @symbols.

As for Konza, what % is the government contributing towards the Konza City project? Thought it was only 5%. Plus major ICT companies are interested in setting hub there, I should think they've done due diligence, no? Microsoft, Samsung, Huawei, Google, Safaricom, among others. 65km is not far. Naivasha at 98km is further, but we take an hour to reach there. The dual carriage will be extended from Athi River to Konza City, plus we are building a standard gauge railway system. Boreholes will be drilled and Thwake Dam constructed for water supply. Government's involvment is only in infrastructure (roads, etc).Let's not look at things from a short-term point of view of 10 years (it's a phased development so as to spread costs and risks), plus Machakos will be in between Konza and Nairobi, talk of growth in the area if Machakos becomes a City.

@a4architect, I like your arguments on infrastructure and that it would have been better to focus on the likes of Thika, Kajiado, Machakos, etc. Question, based on planning (or not)of these towns, the current inhabitants, housing, etc, what are the cons of setting up a big project like Konza in such towns, if any?
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qnahs
#69 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 10:09:21 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
murchr wrote:
symbols wrote:
Tomorrow's illiterate will not be the man who can't read; he will be the man who has not learned how to learn - Alvin Toffler.

Children learn more and better when their younger since they are naturally curious.What we truly need is laptops with a database of knowledge and they'll learn to teach themselves.I know this from my own early exposure to computers and by the time I was 9 I was thinking of AI.

This is about the future of Kenya.Almost everything is integrating with IT and we function in a global knowledge economy where the speed to process and integrate information is crucial to the success of nations and citizens alike.We need those skills if Kenya is going to expand its revenue streams beyond agriculture and tourism and find ways to add value to the resources we possess.



Ditto!


Very well said.Accurate and to the point.

selah
#70 Posted : Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:32:15 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Laptops for kids is a useless project. If they want a breed of computer hackers, train those in high school, not kindergateners.

Konza project, another nonsensical project. You want technology companies to invest here, provide basic infrastructure in existing towns and cities cheaply and sustainably.

Jubilee SUCKS!


Do you know how much a standard 1 kid uses interms of textbooks....How many even afford the textbooks?

Imagine a scenario where an isiolo kid...who has never owned a textbook has been issued with a laptop worth 8k( I hear thats what the Rwandan govt spends) preloaded with Ebook and Audiobooks. Well I think that would create some kind of equity as opposed to paying teachers and building classrooms...the project will touch the kid directly.Teachers on the other hand dont like working in hardship areas so even if you pay them well most of them will stick to the cities and towns.

On the issue of Konza The govt is creating an economic zone where investors will have a peace of mind...maybe the timing or the execution is wrong but the idea is fantastic.

Imagine you want to start assembling a cash dispenser and you need assembly line,staff quarters and an easy access to the port of Mombasa dont you think Konza would offers the space and the access to carry out the project unlike other towns.
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#71 Posted : Friday, July 05, 2013 10:30:09 AM
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@selah..well said.
Assuming the Govt buys Ereaders at kes 2k for each student, there will be a net savings in cost of buying books. Each student spends an average of kes 1k per year, translating to kes 1b per year on new books.
This money will all go to savings since the students will receive soft copies through the Ereaders/kindles.

This will also save the forests since less wood is needed to produce the books/papers.
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Gathige
#72 Posted : Friday, July 05, 2013 10:55:44 AM
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selah wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Laptops for kids is a useless project. If they want a breed of computer hackers, train those in high school, not kindergateners.

Konza project, another nonsensical project. You want technology companies to invest here, provide basic infrastructure in existing towns and cities cheaply and sustainably.

Jubilee SUCKS!


Do you know how much a standard 1 kid uses interms of textbooks....How many even afford the textbooks?

Imagine a scenario where an isiolo kid...who has never owned a textbook has been issued with a laptop worth 8k( I hear thats what the Rwandan govt spends) preloaded with Ebook and Audiobooks. Well I think that would create some kind of equity as opposed to paying teachers and building classrooms...the project will touch the kid directly.Teachers on the other hand dont like working in hardship areas so even if you pay them well most of them will stick to the cities and towns.

On the issue of Konza The govt is creating an economic zone where investors will have a peace of mind...maybe the timing or the execution is wrong but the idea is fantastic.

Imagine you want to start assembling a cash dispenser and you need assembly line,staff quarters and an easy access to the port of Mombasa dont you think Konza would offers the space and the access to carry out the project unlike other towns.


The future of the current generation of class-room teachers are numbered. Classrooms are not a prerequisite for learning but what is important is the content being delivered. I know of a project that delivers education thru Radios and small gadgets preloaded with the learning content and kids learn and perform better than those in bricks and mortar. Rather than spend money on classrooms it would be much more cost effective to devise content to be used for learning.

The fact that teachers are IT Illiterate does not warrant denying children the opportunity to learn using the best technology available. Lets now focus on developing the content that the children can use and we open up an even bigger industry. Today's Chalk and blackboard teacher has no future.
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#73 Posted : Friday, July 05, 2013 11:27:00 AM
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@Gathige. very true. See this construction industry ebook that i have developed. Schools should take advantage of this.
http://a4architect.com/2...ry-primary-school-ebook/
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poundfoolish
#74 Posted : Friday, July 05, 2013 11:29:48 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
On the std 1 laptops, this will become the single most important gesture by Govt to reduce unemployment.

By letting all kenyan kids get to understand computers,majority of these kids will start competing with the best all ove rthe world.
In China, a std 4 kid can create a solar cell or a microchip. In Kenya, a university trained electrical engineer cant create such.
With computer knowledge, the kids in Samburu, Turkana, Lamu , Migingo etc will now be able to compete on an equal platform with other kids in private schools and international level.
Once these kids get to std 8, they can still increase their knowledge acquisition without lecturers.

By the time i graduated from UoN with a Bachelor of Architecture degree in 2001, computers were rare and beginning to creep into Nairobi.
At graduation, i knew less than the average fundi on the hands on approach in construction due to poor university teaching techniques. With use of the internet, not lecturers, i was able to teach myself more, get international work experience in Botswana, Rwanda, South Sudan, Zimbabwe etc.
All these opportunities couldn't have come to me without the power of the computer.


I was following your argument on Konza keenly until now that i have read your thoughts on laptops.
lol... is all i can say..
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#75 Posted : Friday, July 05, 2013 11:37:52 AM
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@poundfoolish. My view on laptops is that its a good idea if they can reduce the cost and supply cheaper ereaders/kindles.
My view of Konza is that its a waste of tax payer money. Konza will naturally grow by itself over 10 to 20 years since this is the only space left for Nairobi to expand. No need to waste taxpayer money on this.
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dunkang
#76 Posted : Friday, July 05, 2013 11:44:01 AM
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Finally, the Ministry of Education has clarified that MOST of the KES15B will be used for infrastructure, i.e schools electrification and connectivity. Thats much better, but i still insist building computer labs/classes would have been more sustainable!

If they have issue a computer to each student, then let it be desk mounted gadgets but not take homes.
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#77 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:06:39 PM
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looks like Ministry of Education also reads wazua.

http://www.standardmedia...ng-tablets-over-laptops

Government considering tablets over laptops for Class One pupils
Updated Tuesday, July 9th 2013 at 18:40 GMT +3

By VITALIS KIMUTAI
Kenya: The government is considering the introduction of tablets instead of laptops to Class One pupils in all public schools across the country.

Cabinet Secretary for Education Prof Jacob Kaimenyi said the move was informed by the fact that Information Communication Technology (ICT) was very dynamic with gadgets and software change in a very short time.
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#78 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:34:14 PM
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it was a matter of time. i think Rwanda does this? at least to some schools?

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#79 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:10:08 PM
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govt. should think of making konza an ICT tax haven
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#80 Posted : Sunday, February 02, 2014 4:08:37 PM
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so twas another quailamid schemeSad Sad

very sad

who-knows-where-much-hyped-konza-technocity-went-one-year-later
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