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kenolkobil returns to profit in Q1 2013
mlennyma
#181 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:35:39 PM
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Iam also set to try a small bunch of 10k shares at not more than 8.80
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
symbols
#182 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:37:51 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
lets see where the supply will be kesho, got some cash to throw at it.


Also curious to see.The supply below 9 was being forced.
mwekez@ji
#183 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2013 10:51:03 PM
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symbols wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
lets see where the supply will be kesho, got some cash to throw at it.


Also curious to see.The supply below 9 was being forced.


.. Lets see how it goes tomorrow. Last weeks downward pressure was genuine.
VituVingiSana
#184 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 10:10:23 AM
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guru267 wrote:
@VVS would you then agree that the Buffet quote below relates very strongly to KK??

VituVingiSana wrote:
6. "When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is usually the reputation of the business that remains intact."


The "business with bad economics" being oil marketing in Africa..
Yes. This is why I am watching 1H 2013 very closely. No matter how good or smart Segman is, if the industry is being suffocated by Price Controls, it wil die. As for the 1.5bn writeback... it is just that, a writeback [not cash] but it will anchor the (perceived) earnings in 1H 2013. What I want to see is the Cashflow Statement for KK.

There will be 2 line items to discount:
1) Writebacks [1.5bn hedge]
2) Property Sales
Both are non-recurring items that cannot & should not be used to judge the future earning potential of KK.

Positive EBITDA is good but what of Financing Costs? I expect high financing costs in 1H 2013 as the CBR (& bank lending costs) remained high. So my 1.5bn PAT is NOT for 1H but FY.

2H 2013: KK has always issued Commercial Paper which saves them a little off bank ODs. At their levels of borrowing, it adds up. Even more significant was the intention to borrow in USD vs KES/UGX/RWF. Since the fuel purchases are priced in USD there is a plus that KK can pass on the cost of USD fluctuations. And limited hedging i.e. no more naked hedges.

The OMCs contracts will KPRL expired at midnight. No more buying from KPRL which could increase margins per litre from KES 5-10. Nice! Caveat: I expect GoK to screw OMCs on this one for political reasons.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwekez@ji
#185 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 11:59:35 AM
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Downward pressure continua. Check the 8.80

BIDS 303,000
Quantity Price Splits Time
1,900 8.75 3 11:53:05
30,000 8.70 2 11:53:05
136,100 8.60 9 11:53:05
105,000 8.50 6 11:53:05
30,000 8.00 2 11:53:05
ASKS 148,600
Quantity Price Splits Time
72,100 8.80 2 11:53:05
20,200 9.00 1 11:53:05
14,000 9.05 2 11:53:05
19,000 9.30 1 11:53:05
3,300 9.50 1 11:53:05
TRADES
Quantity Price Time
10,000 8.80 11:52:34
500 8.80 11:50:49
800 8.80 11:50:49
20,000 8.80 11:50:49
10,000 8.80 11:50:49
mlennyma
#186 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 12:24:42 PM
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8.50 is the only posible bottom
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mwekez@ji
#187 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 12:33:37 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
8.50 is the only posible bottom


Substantiate ... and i see a 3.10 printed
VituVingiSana
#188 Posted : Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:10:14 AM
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This reminds of Warren Buffett's quote about getting a bargain at the supermarket! Drool Drool Drool And if I can pick up I&M at 80 Pray Pray Pray

In my little world view. KK at 8-ish and I&M at 80-ish ... I then sit back for 2 years & enjoy a better than average returns! No more looking for bargains.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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