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Kenya, a 'failed state'!
King G
#31 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 8:47:50 PM
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maligumu wrote:
We need to accept and move on.


d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Thieves
Braza
#32 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 8:56:36 PM
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Waaah! At last someone has recognized our effort! We are humbled.
Can we get the 'failed ' be referred to as 'foolish '? Do we need judges to set the date for the amendment?
Then we foolishly go ahead and buy useless laptops!! and grow a more foolish generation.
Admin, Luckily; age will one day transform me into an Elder.
masukuma
#33 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 9:05:18 PM
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still wondering when this debate became a US vs China debate! Mwafrika hujuwi hauna marafiki? - ZINDUKA!...JIPANGE!
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masukuma
#34 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 9:28:05 PM
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in the same way that you don't build a house for others - people should not build countries for others.
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Rollout
#35 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 9:52:19 PM
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masukuma wrote:
still wondering when this debate became a US vs China debate! Mwafrika hujuwi hauna marafiki? - ZINDUKA!...JIPANGE!


Becuase we always want to point at others even when we don't even know them.
Kratos
#36 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 10:01:46 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Kwani this is new?
We were label a failed state in 2011

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&t=13998

in 2012

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=19278

KWANI WHAT CHANGED?


As long as they dont have their preferred man in state house we will always be a failed state. On a serious note, isn't it amazing how we have so many Kenyans wishing that things go wrong for the jubilee government as if they live in Uganda or Burundi and they wont be affected?

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
masukuma
#37 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 10:28:50 PM
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Kratos wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Kwani this is new?
We were label a failed state in 2011

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&t=13998

in 2012

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=19278

KWANI WHAT CHANGED?


As long as they dont have their preferred man in state house we will always be a failed state. On a serious note, isn't it amazing how we have so many Kenyans wishing that things go wrong for the jubilee government as if they live in Uganda or Burundi and they wont be affected?

We had a discussion on the same. i thought we had communicated that WE ARE IN IT TOGETHER! no no need to cheer failure I thought we had discussed this?
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mkeiyd
#38 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:31:53 AM
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In all HONESTY, we are not doing well and to turn this issue to one of US vs China is just stupid.

We need to pull up our socks and make all systems of our state,WORK!
Wendz
#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:46:35 AM
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Rollout wrote:
Wendz wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Wendz wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
The parameters set for classifying a state as failed are debatable. In someone's dictionary, a failed state may mean high rates of delinquency,another person may say it's high poverty levels, and so forth. The truth of the matter is that there is no objective means of measuring a failed state. All the parameters are subjective.

Nonetheless, we should understand where such "studies" arise, how they are conducted, and whom they are intended to benefit. In some cases, these "think tanks" publish ridiculous "findings". In turn, they perpetuate half-myths and stereotypes. Do not be surprised if the CIA funds such "studies".



The irony of the whole thing is that China is such a failed state yet basically everything in US is "Made in China" and they have heavily borrowed from China too... interesting...


I wonder if you have ever been to US or atleast understand how economics work.... yes alot of thing are made in China because of cheap labor and China hold less than 12% of US debt.......




If i have to go to US to understand some of these things, then i'll make a point. So, do you reckon this has no impact on US? Or the fact that US depend on China for production of a lot of its consumption materials has no effect on US economy? My simple question is, how does US, and basically majority of the world's economy depend on such a failed state? How has this failed state managed to keep its labor that low and produce effectively?


Obviously you want me to go deeper into these so I will make it simple.
1)US do not go out an borrow from China the way we go out and borrow from other countries, China somehow like to buy US treasuries and thats how the debt come about.
2)The total US debt have some impact on US economy but the piece that is held by china have some inverse economic impact because it offers some directional view of how others look at USA future(higher debt indicate better expectation)
3)US do not depend on china to produce alot of consumption materials, in this senerior, the consumer hold the power not the producer so China depend on US to buy it's manufactured goods and this is the reason why China manage their currency-to make sure they can sell their manufactured good.
US however depend on China to purchase hightech goods, like machinaries and cars and technology good but trade deficit between the two countries should tell you who depend on who.
4) The world depend on China mainly because they have one third of the world population, stability and growth of China is very important to the world economy.
5) China labor is cheap and it is a disadvantage to china because it makes china depend on external market for consumption of it's manufactured good yet they hold one third of the world population.
6) Productivity in China is inefficient relative to the west.


Is that so? I thought it was the other way round - China produces more efficiently than the West. I do not pride myself to be an expert in economics so, yes, I needed you to go deeper because when you put it as you have, it is educative, simple to understand and i get to learn one or two things.
washiku
#40 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:51:21 AM
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mkeiyd wrote:
In all HONESTY, we are not doing well and to turn this issue to one of US vs China is just stupid.

We need to pull up our socks and make all systems of our state,WORK!


We are not doing well, that is fact. We can do better. And I doubt we shall ever reach a point where we are now comfortable with what we have. If we reach such a point it means we are dead in terms of innovation and ambition. That not withstanding, I dont believe ours is a failed state. However much we may not like our country, we are not a Somali. Call it by any other name but failed state. Unless the word Failed state is properly defined, then even a guy at a cyber in River road may come up with a "report" declaring US a failed state coz they are unable to control gun usage such that frequently kids splay bullets on people along the streets.
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