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MADE
#41 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 6:57:15 PM
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King G wrote:
Alba wrote:
In terms of talent. this is easily the worst Nigeria team I have ever watched. I started to watch them during the era of Yekini, Siasia, Keshi, "Elastic" Elahor et al. For a country of 140 million that is football crazy to not have a single world class player is amazing. I can excuse Kenya because we are not football crazy.

The fact that Nigeria are African champions means African football is at its lowest level ever. African football has been regressing for years.

No wonder a team like Ethiopia was on the verge of qualifying for the world cup before they screwed up by fielding an ineligible player in Nyamweya like negligence.

The gap between Europe's top teams and Africa's top teams has been widening in the past 5 years or so.


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mzeiya411
#42 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 8:16:35 PM
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Alba wrote:
In terms of talent. this is easily the worst Nigeria team I have ever watched. I started to watch them during the era of Yekini, Siasia, Keshi, "Elastic" Elahor et al. For a country of 140 million that is football crazy to not have a single world class player is amazing. I can excuse Kenya because we are not football crazy.

The fact that Nigeria are African champions means African football is at its lowest level ever. African football has been regressing for years.

No wonder a team like Ethiopia was on the verge of qualifying for the world cup before they screwed up by fielding an ineligible player in Nyamweya like negligence.

The gap between Europe's top teams and Africa's top teams has been widening in the past 5 years or so.


The bit about Ethiopia is not accurate, they have been making steady progress with their teams (St Georges)eliminating Egyptian clubs.
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Alba
#43 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 8:48:22 PM
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Mzeiya what exactly is inaccurate ?
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McReggae
#44 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:47:40 AM
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Alba wrote:
The fact that Nigeria are African champions means African football is at its lowest level ever. African football has been regressing for years


I really don't agree with this part of your statement, Nigeria si simply without those well know big names but i think Keshi has really tried to build a team of youngsters:

This writer seems to haave watched the same game I watched: Nigerai Vs Spain

The FIFA stats show that African teams have been stagnant rather than regressing!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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mzeiya411
#45 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:17:12 AM
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McReggae wrote:
Alba wrote:
The fact that Nigeria are African champions means African football is at its lowest level ever. African football has been regressing for years


I really don't agree with this part of your statement, Nigeria si simply without those well know big names but i think Keshi has really tried to build a team of youngsters:

This writer seems to haave watched the same game I watched: Nigerai Vs Spain

The FIFA stats show that African teams have been stagnant rather than regressing!!!!!


Alba i agree with McReggae African teams are not regressing but new teams like Togo, Angola, Mali and Ethiopia etc are emerging challenging the taditional African heavyweights. For you to dismiss Nigeria after the Spain match is being unrealistic as Spain are gonna go down as one of the most dominant sides in world football
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mzeiya411
#46 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:21:23 AM
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Alba wrote:
Mzeiya what exactly is inaccurate ?


The diss on Ethiopia is totally unwarranted. Even with the docked points they are still 2pts ahead of SA and only need to match SA's result in their last game to qualify for the last stage qualifiers. The only team i can say has regressed is Bafana talk about being overated...
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Alba
#47 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:53:11 PM
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Here is why I think Nigeria is regressing

Take the 1994 WC for example, Nigeria had several young players each playing for top Euro teams

Amunike : barcelona
Oliseh: Juventus
Ikpeba : Monaco
Kanu : Arsenal / Inter Milan
Okocha : PSG
West : Inter Milan
Amokachi: Everton

That team was a juggernaut. All these were homegrown players as opposed to Victor Moses type mercenaries. Compare this to what they have today. You say Keshi is building a young team. Do you think any of them will amount to much ? I dont see much potential there. I dont see Ahmed Musa going to a big league. Players like Kanu were already big stars at age 19. Martins was a star at Inter Milan at age 17. Okocha looked phenomeal when he played for Eintracht Frankfurt at age 19

At the 1998 WC they beat teams like Bulgaria 3-0, Greece 3-0 and Spain 3-2 and almost beat Italy in the second round.

The reason they scored 3 goals in these games was down to talent. Nigeria had very little structure in those days. Today Nigeria has structure but no talent. The team of 1994 would have scored at least 2 goals against Spain.

And how could they loose to Uruguay, a team that is struggling to qualify for the 2014 WC ? A country whose population is 3 million versus Nigeria's 140 million ?

OK now look at the other African teams. Cameroon looked very promising in the 1990s when they reached the quarter finals. What happened to them ? It started going downhill in 1994 when they lost 6-1 to Russia. Every WC since then has been a disaster for Cameroun.

And what about Senegal ? So promising in 2002. So may young exciting players in 2002.

Its gotten so bad that an average Zambia side devoid of superstars won the ANC in 2012 and Burkina Faso almost won in 2013.


Things looked very bright for Africa in the 1980s and 1990s. Even Pele predicted that an African team would win the WC before 2000. That seems impossible now and he has now backtracked and claims he said no such thing.

Another area where African teams have regressed is their style of play which used to be so radical and unpredictable and attack minded that they would catch Euro teams by surprise.

What happened at the last WC ? African teams were boring and reserved. Four of them eliminated in round 1 and Ghana stumbled into round 2 after loosing to Germany and drawing with Ozzie.

The final area I think African football has regressed is in terms of star power. Where are the African star strikers to take over from Etoo and Drogba who used to be top scorers in their respective leagues ?
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Alba
#48 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:55:52 PM
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mzeiya411 wrote:
Alba wrote:
Mzeiya what exactly is inaccurate ?


The diss on Ethiopia is totally unwarranted. Even with the docked points they are still 2pts ahead of SA and only need to match SA's result in their last game to qualify for the last stage qualifiers. The only team i can say has regressed is Bafana talk about being overated...


It is warranted. You mean to tell me Ethiopian officials do not know the rules ? How is this excusable ?

Ethiopia had already qualified for the next round. Now they might not. They had sensationally eliminated SA with their massive budget. Now they have given SA a lifeline. The players have been working hard only for a negligent official to mess up their hard work

If this costs them a place in the next round, some fans will never forgive the officials. Had this happened in some football mad nations, that official would have had to resign.
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McReggae
#49 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:03:26 PM
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Alba wrote:
mzeiya411 wrote:
Alba wrote:
Mzeiya what exactly is inaccurate ?


The diss on Ethiopia is totally unwarranted. Even with the docked points they are still 2pts ahead of SA and only need to match SA's result in their last game to qualify for the last stage qualifiers. The only team i can say has regressed is Bafana talk about being overated...


It is warranted. You mean to tell me Ethiopian officials do not know the rules ? How is this excusable ?

Ethiopia had already qualified for the next round. Now they might not. They had sensationally eliminated SA with their massive budget. Now they have given SA a lifeline. The players have been working hard only for a negligent official to mess up their hard work

If this costs them a place in the next round, some fans will never forgive the officials. Had this happened in some football mad nations, that official would have had to resign.


That official already resigned!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Alba
#50 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:04:09 PM
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mzeiya411 wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Alba wrote:
The fact that Nigeria are African champions means African football is at its lowest level ever. African football has been regressing for years


I really don't agree with this part of your statement, Nigeria si simply without those well know big names but i think Keshi has really tried to build a team of youngsters:

This writer seems to haave watched the same game I watched: Nigerai Vs Spain

The FIFA stats show that African teams have been stagnant rather than regressing!!!!!


Alba i agree with McReggae African teams are not regressing but new teams like Togo, Angola, Mali and Ethiopia etc are emerging challenging the taditional African heavyweights. For you to dismiss Nigeria after the Spain match is being unrealistic as Spain are gonna go down as one of the most dominant sides in world football


But of these teams go to the WC, they will not leave the 1st round. I dont think Togo is better than Kenya. When they last played Kenya, the teams were even.

Angola recently lost to Uganda. Ethiopia are improving drastically but remember they were hammered at the recent Cup of nations.
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