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bird_man
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:34:15 AM
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Hi guys,
What engine oil do you guys use?I have a non-turbo Impreza 1500cc & I once read in the car manual that the recommended engine oil was 5W-30.
My mechanic however always puts in Shell Helix HX5 (15W-40).
My question;
Does it really matter? What do you guys use?Also is this synthetic or natural?Whats the diff?
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mlefu
#2 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:43:35 AM
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I think they use Helix 3, 5 because we lack options..or I have not yet seen something different.

on the same note, I got hold of a service manual for a second hand car from UK, the service is done once a year..what am I missing here?
theking
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:57:22 AM
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Toyota kenya nowadays sells engine oil,fully synthetic n does 10,000kms. i think it's 5W-30. Usually in a yellowish can. Price is around 2,500/=
bird_man
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:11:27 PM
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@Mlefu...yeah my manual says service after 10K Kms not the usual 5K done in Kenya.But the road conditions are very very different I guess.I have seen an advert in today's DN Pg.5 of a 5W-40 oil.
@theking...thanks for your observations.We share & learn.
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Prime
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:20:04 PM
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theking wrote:
Toyota kenya nowadays sells engine oil,fully synthetic n does 10,000kms. i think it's 5W-30. Usually in a yellowish can. Price is around 2,500/=


Checked with toyota kenya. Their synthetic oil goes for 2200. 4 litres and recommended service interval is 5,000. In my opinion it is a good deal.
sizzla
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:19:47 PM
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Full Synthetic from Total can do 12000 but the container reads 9000.
kamundu
#7 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:05:56 PM
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Avoid synthetic oil for cars with over 150k km. Its too light and will not be completely scraped off by the wearing out cylinder rings. Your engine could knock.
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#8 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 12:05:06 AM
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@Bird-man,
30W (SAE 30) oils are meant for cold climates and thus your manual might be right but just.Mechanics or experts will advise you upgrade your oil to 40W since we are in the tropics.The 40W is also recommended for drivers who are more often on the highway and have "bigger and faster machines".If you have a 1300cc town runner,30W still serves good enough.

Synthetic versus conventional motor oil?.Any person who tells you that synthetic is not for cars with 150K Km requires a kimanyoko.Synthetics have superior qualities and thus can last you upto 3 times conventional oil,their only con being the price depending
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mlefu
#9 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 8:54:15 AM
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The price different is 1K...Will give it a try.

Those who are driving European cars, manufactures recommend service after 12 months ..which oil is available locally to last this long ?
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#10 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 9:23:01 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Bird-man,

Synthetic versus conventional motor oil?.Any person who tells you that synthetic is not for cars with 150K Km requires a kimanyoko.Synthetics have superior qualities and thus can last you upto 3 times conventional oil,their only con being the price depending


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#11 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 3:56:14 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Bird-man,
30W (SAE 30) oils are meant for cold climates and thus your manual might be right but just.Mechanics or experts will advise you upgrade your oil to 40W since we are in the tropics.The 40W is also recommended for drivers who are more often on the highway and have "bigger and faster machines".If you have a 1300cc town runner,30W still serves good enough.

Synthetic versus conventional motor oil?.Any person who tells you that synthetic is not for cars with 150K Km requires a kimanyoko.Synthetics have superior qualities and thus can last you upto 3 times conventional oil,their only con being the price depending


Kimamyoko or not, wewe jaribu. Ikinock usinilaumu. That oil is just too light.
Do your research, the manufacturers recommend it for high perfomance cars of low mileage.
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jaggernaut
#12 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 4:13:08 PM
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I service at Total and they normally put oil via a hose pipe/pump (kama ya petroli) from some drums i normally see stored at a distance. So which type is that one?
Njung'e
#13 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 4:36:31 PM
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@Kamundu,
When you say light,what is light?Oil grading is done in relation to type and viscosity......In a layman's term,viscosity is the resistance to flow.....The higher the number,the "thicker"(More resistant it is to flow).It follows therefore that any liquid/oil rated 30 has the same flow resistance

What i am trying to explain is that a Guiness of 30W,convetional oil of 30W and a synthetic oil of 30W have the same viscosity.The difference in the three will be in other properties and the purposes they are intended for.Let's eliminate Guiness since we know that it is a preserve of throats.I will not dwell on the superiority of synthetic but it is a simple scientic fact.

@Mlefu,
There is no known car manufacturer who recommends servicing of cars basing on days/months/years and the reason is simple.Suppose you service your car and keep it in a garage for the entire 12 months,would you require another service despite not using the car thereafter?.Most equipments are serviced based on hours/mileage and thus your oil is rated in Kms.

As for European cars,different models and where they were sold have their own parameters.If you import a Merc from Japan,you would find that for it to conform to the recommended 8K Kms service,DT Dobie would need to do some reconfigurations on your service memory....and Yep,most Mercs are sericed every 8K kms (Minor service) and 30K kms (Major service).The same should apply to BMW,VW and Audi.
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theking
#14 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 4:36:38 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
I service at Total and they normally put oil via a hose pipe/pump (kama ya petroli) from some drums i normally see stored at a distance. So which type is that one?


u gotta b kidding,u don't care what engine oil is used to service your car?
jaggernaut
#15 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 4:40:37 PM
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theking wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
I service at Total and they normally put oil via a hose pipe/pump (kama ya petroli) from some drums i normally see stored at a distance. So which type is that one?


u gotta b kidding,u don't care what engine oil is used to service your car?


I normally ask them to put ile ya 5000km but was asking about the SAE details.
Njung'e
#16 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 4:49:03 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
theking wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
I service at Total and they normally put oil via a hose pipe/pump (kama ya petroli) from some drums i normally see stored at a distance. So which type is that one?


u gotta b kidding,u don't care what engine oil is used to service your car?


I normally ask them to put ile ya 5000km but was asking about the SAE details.


Any unsealed motor oil is dangerous oil.Let me put it this way.Do you know there are Kenyans who "do" motor oil purifying/filtration?....How sure are you huwa hawapatii gari yako busaa?smile
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jaggernaut
#17 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 5:18:26 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
theking wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
I service at Total and they normally put oil via a hose pipe/pump (kama ya petroli) from some drums i normally see stored at a distance. So which type is that one?


u gotta b kidding,u don't care what engine oil is used to service your car?


I normally ask them to put ile ya 5000km but was asking about the SAE details.


Any unsealed motor oil is dangerous oil.Let me put it this way.Do you know there are Kenyans who "do" motor oil purifying/filtration?....How sure are you huwa hawapatii gari yako busaa?smile


Many Total stations I think buy the oil in bulk (in drums) and then dispense it that way, and I bet you must have seen it. I have trusted Total for so many years, maybe coz i have a few shares there but i don't want to believe they could be conning us.
Njung'e
#18 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 5:33:18 PM
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@Jaggernaut,
I get it although oil in drums are meant for units that take more than 5 Ltrs at a go.Say heavy plant machineries and trucks.My problem would still be how they avoid contamination moreso of pipes and other dispensing tools used in the process of replenishing.I can bet it ain't even 90%.The small containers have an advantage and you are assured of fresh uncontaminated oil.....but it's your car.You know how best you relate!Pray
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Prime
#19 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 6:19:27 PM
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I thought Engine oil should be changed after the recommended mileage OR SIX MONTHS. Whichever comes first. in other words, suitability of oil in an engine diminishes considerably after 6 months (Expiry), even if the recommended mileage has not been attained. Its everywhere in the net
ZZE123
#20 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 6:41:10 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Jaggernaut,
I get it although oil in drums are meant for units that take more than 5 Ltrs at a go.Say heavy plant machineries and trucks.My problem would still be how they avoid contamination moreso of pipes and other dispensing tools used in the process of replenishing.I can bet it ain't even 90%.The small containers have an advantage and you are assured of fresh uncontaminated oil.....but it's your car.You know how best you relate!Pray

Also add the possibility of petrol attendants wanting to make an extra coin hence recycling the oil in drumsSad Sad
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