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Capital gains tax??
Pesa Nane
#61 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:56:37 PM
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h2s wrote:
Let's assume you bought shares of company A at 3sh, then bought another batch at 5sh and lastly another batch at 8sh. So when you sell at 5sh how is the CGT going to be calculated?

Formulation of the law = wait n see
Common Sense = Average
TaxMan=CGT on batch of 3 bob. Loss is yours Sad
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
mwekez@ji
#62 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:44:45 PM
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King G
#63 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:15:16 AM
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Value???? how now eish..........
Thieves
mwekez@ji
#64 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:44:37 AM
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King G wrote:


Got shocked when i read that too ... investors from the 1980s should share their experience
mwekez@ji
#65 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:03:50 AM
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According to Atul Shah, the chief executive of PKF Taxation Services Ltd, the middle class will not be affected much if the legal framework for the operationalisation of capital gains tax is designed well.

“There should be an appropriate threshold so that the middle class are not affected. This should look at the large corporates and oil transactions,” he said.
According to PwC, the tax, which is imposed on real estate, marketable securities and other saleable assets is likely to have an impact on all sectors of the economy.

“However the major impact is likely to be felt in the property and financial markets if the exemption on marketable securities such as shares is not retained,” said Okello.

“The construction and property markets are currently growing at a rapid pace and hence a major contributor to economic growth.” Although the Capital gains tax was suspended in Kenya in 1985 all countries in East Africa and many countries in the world still tax wealth through capital gains tax.

“There is absolutely no justification why Kenya continues to suspend capital gains tax while tax the poor people through value added tax and other indirect taxes,” said Michael Mburugu, Tax Director at PKF Taxation Services Limited.


“CGT should not stifle home ownerships. A homeowner should be able to sell first home without CGT,” said Mburugu adding that,” There should be a threshold period of time for application of CGT and need to consult widely before re-introducing CGT.”

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/...h-in-widening-of-tax-net
MaichBlack
#66 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:17:18 AM
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mukiha wrote:
Kenyans are a funny lot: they are complaining that budget did not allocate enough money to various sectors and that the government is borrowing too much, but at the same time they don't want to pay more taxes.

Where do Kenyan's think the money comes from: trees?

Why should I pay more taxes??? I would just be financing wastage!!!

The government should stop the wastage and corruption and you will be suprised how many billions would be saved as a result!

You can't give you kid a glass of milk, he pours 3/4 and drinks 1/4, then you give him another glass and he does the same and then you give him a third one just because you can afford! [Not that Kenyans can actually afford all the taxes being demanded!!!].
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
maka
#67 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:18:52 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
According to Atul Shah, the chief executive of PKF Taxation Services Ltd, the middle class will not be affected much if the legal framework for the operationalisation of capital gains tax is designed well.

“There should be an appropriate threshold so that the middle class are not affected. This should look at the large corporates and oil transactions,” he said.
According to PwC, the tax, which is imposed on real estate, marketable securities and other saleable assets is likely to have an impact on all sectors of the economy.

“However the major impact is likely to be felt in the property and financial markets if the exemption on marketable securities such as shares is not retained,” said Okello.

“The construction and property markets are currently growing at a rapid pace and hence a major contributor to economic growth.” Although the Capital gains tax was suspended in Kenya in 1985 all countries in East Africa and many countries in the world still tax wealth through capital gains tax.

“There is absolutely no justification why Kenya continues to suspend capital gains tax while tax the poor people through value added tax and other indirect taxes,” said Michael Mburugu, Tax Director at PKF Taxation Services Limited.


“CGT should not stifle home ownerships. A homeowner should be able to sell first home without CGT,” said Mburugu adding that,” There should be a threshold period of time for application of CGT and need to consult widely before re-introducing CGT.”

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/...h-in-widening-of-tax-net

I totally agree the introduction of CGT isnt bad if you can afford to put some of your earnings into investment via marketable securities then CGT should be slapped on you to easen the tax burden on the lower cadre of citizens and also increase govt revenue collection...most of the foreign.investors who are here come from jurisdictions that have a wide array of taxes including this CGT...ETFs are taxed according to their domicile,Investment trusts are taxed according to their distributor status, etc thats why they have money to make things work like clock work...transportation system,housing,education.etc...I warmly embrace the tax only if the collections will be free from "we have to eat syndrome"
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MoneyMonger
#68 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:29:42 AM
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Securities spared capital gains tax. Bloomberg has quoted an outgoing public servant in the Finance Ministry stating that there is no immediate plan to implement a capital gains tax on shares. Finance Ministry Permanent Secretary Joseph Kinyua said that the plan is to re-introduce the capital gains tax, which was suspended in the 1980s, in order to raise more revenue but this will target properties only. Last week’s budget statement was silent on silent on what asset classed the capital gains tax was to apply. Introducing a capital gains tax would have slowed down the ability of companies to raise capital at the bourse, potentially stagnating the development of the market which has struggled to get additional listings despite numerous incentives. (Bloomberg, Standard Investment Bank)

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MoneyMonger
#69 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:38:09 AM
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MoneyMonger wrote:
Securities spared capital gains tax. Bloomberg has quoted an outgoing public servant in the Finance Ministry stating that there is no immediate plan to implement a capital gains tax on shares. Finance Ministry Permanent Secretary Joseph Kinyua said that the plan is to re-introduce the capital gains tax, which was suspended in the 1980s, in order to raise more revenue but this will target properties only. Last week’s budget statement was silent on silent on what asset classed the capital gains tax was to apply. Introducing a capital gains tax would have slowed down the ability of companies to raise capital at the bourse, potentially stagnating the development of the market which has struggled to get additional listings despite numerous incentives. (Bloomberg, Standard Investment Bank)



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mwekez@ji
#70 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:45:46 AM
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“The plan is to re-introduce the capital gains tax, which was suspended in the 1980s, in order to raise more revenue,” Kinyua said. “It will target the real-estate sector, which has recorded tremendous growth over the years. There are no immediate plans to levy the charge on stocks.

#Interesting

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2...ax-to-raise-revenue.html

cc MoneyMonger - check the link
King G
#71 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:46:06 AM
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MoneyMonger wrote:
MoneyMonger wrote:
Securities spared capital gains tax. Bloomberg has quoted an outgoing public servant in the Finance Ministry stating that there is no immediate plan to implement a capital gains tax on shares. Finance Ministry Permanent Secretary Joseph Kinyua said that the plan is to re-introduce the capital gains tax, which was suspended in the 1980s, in order to raise more revenue but this will target properties only. Last week’s budget statement was silent on silent on what asset classed the capital gains tax was to apply. Introducing a capital gains tax would have slowed down the ability of companies to raise capital at the bourse, potentially stagnating the development of the market which has struggled to get additional listings despite numerous incentives. (Bloomberg, Standard Investment Bank)



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he is out of gova and therefore should not be believed. we needed more bleeding ....
Thieves
symbols
#72 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:52:03 AM
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MoneyMonger wrote:
Securities spared capital gains tax. Bloomberg has quoted an outgoing public servant in the Finance Ministry stating that there is no immediate plan to implement a capital gains tax on shares. Finance Ministry Permanent Secretary Joseph Kinyua said that the plan is to re-introduce the capital gains tax, which was suspended in the 1980s, in order to raise more revenue but this will target properties only. Last week’s budget statement was silent on silent on what asset classed the capital gains tax was to apply. Introducing a capital gains tax would have slowed down the ability of companies to raise capital at the bourse, potentially stagnating the development of the market which has struggled to get additional listings despite numerous incentives. (Bloomberg, Standard Investment Bank)



If true,this is a huge boost to the NSE.
maka
#73 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:07:55 AM
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King G wrote:
MoneyMonger wrote:
MoneyMonger wrote:
Securities spared capital gains tax. Bloomberg has quoted an outgoing public servant in the Finance Ministry stating that there is no immediate plan to implement a capital gains tax on shares. Finance Ministry Permanent Secretary Joseph Kinyua said that the plan is to re-introduce the capital gains tax, which was suspended in the 1980s, in order to raise more revenue but this will target properties only. Last week’s budget statement was silent on silent on what asset classed the capital gains tax was to apply. Introducing a capital gains tax would have slowed down the ability of companies to raise capital at the bourse, potentially stagnating the development of the market which has struggled to get additional listings despite numerous incentives. (Bloomberg, Standard Investment Bank)



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he is out of gova and therefore should not be believed. we needed more bleeding ....

Companies are not listing simply because CMA is inefficient...they havent worked well on their public awareness program to create financial deepening in the capital markets after the dismal performance of scom (where the lead manager cocked up big time) most wanjikus would never touch any stock again...
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Aguytrying
#74 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:49:20 PM
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I doubted this tax would be levied. our stock market has too many foreigners and adding this tax will lose Gava more money than it can make from the tax.
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mibbz
#75 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:21:44 PM
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Just seen on NTV at 1 news that government puts implementation of capital gains tax on hold....seems GoK actually has advisers in touch with reality,perhaps a few roaming these blogs.Hope this leads to improvement in market numbers


http://www.businessdaily.../-/107r7tiz/-/index.html
hisah
#76 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:27:00 PM
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mibbz wrote:
Just seen on NTV at 1 news that government puts implementation of capital gains tax on hold....seems GoK actually has advisers in touch with reality,perhaps a few roaming these blogs.Hope this leads to improvement in market numbers


http://www.businessdaily...-/107r7tiz/-/index.html

GoK lacking balls of steel smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
symbols
#77 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:32:44 PM
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hisah wrote:
[quote=mibbz]Just seen on NTV at 1 news that government puts implementation of capital gains tax on hold....seems GoK actually has advisers in touch with reality,perhaps a few roaming these blogs.Hope this leads to improvement in market numbers


http://www.businessdaily...-/107r7tiz/-/index.html


Tax wasn't the issue,funding was.This talk of more debt isn't encouraging.Either way we still pay.
maka
#78 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:46:10 PM
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symbols wrote:
hisah wrote:
[quote=mibbz]Just seen on NTV at 1 news that government puts implementation of capital gains tax on hold....seems GoK actually has advisers in touch with reality,perhaps a few roaming these blogs.Hope this leads to improvement in market numbers


http://www.businessdaily...-/107r7tiz/-/index.html


Tax wasn't the issue,funding was.This talk of more debt isn't encouraging.Either way we still pay.

If they shelf it...they should also forget taxing essentials...
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mkonomtupu
#79 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:45:34 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
King G wrote:


Got shocked when i read that too ... investors from the 1980s should share their experience


@mwekez@aji for your benefits the CGT in full for shares

[/quote]PART II - ACCRUAL AND COMPUTATION OF GAINS FROM
INVESTMENT SHARES

14. Interpretation
In this Part of this Schedule -

"adjusted cost" means -

(a) in the case of investment shares acquired before 13th June.1975, the market price at which the shares could have been purchased in a transaction between an independent willing buyer and an independent willing seller on the Nairobi Stock Exchange immediately prior to the close of business on 12th June, 1975; but if the transferor of the investment shares can prove to the satisfaction of the Commissioner that he actually paid more for the shares than that market price, the actual cost to the transferor of the shares may be substituted for that market price; and

(b) in the case of investment shares acquired on or after 13th June, 1975, the amount or value of the consideration for the acquisition of the shares;
"consideration" means consideration in money or money's worth;
"investment shares" means shares of companies, municipal or Government authorities or a body created by those authorities, that are listed and traded on the Nairobi Stock Exchange;

"transfer value" means the amount of value of the consideration for the transfer of investment shares (less any amount which would be deductible under paragraph 10 of Part I of this Schedule if the gains were being computed under that Part).

15. Computation of gains.
The gain subject to tax under this Part is the amount by which the transfer value of investment shares transferred by a person who is an individual exceeds the adjusted cost of those shares.

16. Deduction of tax.
The gain ascertained under paragraph 15 is subject to a deduction of income tax at the rate of seven and a half per cent of that gain.

16A. Set-off of tax.
Where in computing the gain accruing to a person on the transfer of investment shares, it is found that the adjusted cost of the shares exceeds the transfer value of those shares the amount of the excess is the loss realized by the person on the transfer of the investment shares.

17. Remittance of tax.
The provisions of section 39 apply to tax deducted under paragraph 16.

18. Transfer of investment shares by a stockbroker.
A stockbroker who conducts the transfer of investment shares on behalf of a transferor shall collect and remit tax to the Commissioner in accordance with section 35 (5).

19. Failure to collect and remit.
The remittance of money by a stockbroker under paragraph 18 shall be a full and final discharge to the stockbroker as against all persons from liability in respect of that money.

20. Liability for failure to remit taxes by a stockbroker.
A stockbroker who fails to collect and remit as required under paragraph 18, the amount of income tax out of the proceeds (over which he has control) accruing as a result of the transfer of investment shares is jointly and severally liable with the transferor of the shares for payment of the tax.

21. Exemption.
(1) Where the transferor of investment shares is an unincorporated association or body of individuals of a public character which has been exempted from income tax under paragraph 10 of the First Schedule no deduction of income tax shall be made under thisPart of this Schedule.

(2) Gains from a transfer of investment shares for or in connexion with a pension fund, trust scheme, or provident fund registered with the Commissioner shall not be subject to deduction of income tax under this Part of this Schedule[/quote]
mibbz
#80 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:45:58 PM
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maka wrote:
symbols wrote:
hisah wrote:
[quote=mibbz]Just seen on NTV at 1 news that government puts implementation of capital gains tax on hold....seems GoK actually has advisers in touch with reality,perhaps a few roaming these blogs.Hope this leads to improvement in market numbers


http://www.businessdaily...-/107r7tiz/-/index.html


Tax wasn't the issue,funding was.This talk of more debt isn't encouraging.Either way we still pay.

If they shelf it...they should also forget taxing essentials...


@maka essentials shall be taxed,just read the last few paragraphs of the article.think treasury is evolving and implementation of new tax is sort of changing from traditional june-july to a dec-jan-feb period;6 months after reading of budget. look at taxation of beer which was quietly revised upwards this year around feb,not many people noticed that.
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