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Capital gains tax??
mkeiyd
#41 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 11:22:44 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:


If these wazungus want to crash the market well and good. They are the ones who have been buying all the way to the current prices. Any sells by them will be at their loss. Local individuals and intitutionals will now buy back the stakes they have been selling and then we wait for the next cycle to sell to these muzungus #LocalMoneyMakingBusiness


Where is the damn like button?

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ayub900
#42 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 11:50:36 AM
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This tax must not be reintroduced if it was removed to attract more investment at the nse.In any event, capital GAINS and capital LOSSES cancel out more or less. Look at KQ investors, have we not seen a tumble from a high of 130 to the present 10. In all fairness such taxation can only come with rebate in mind for losers.
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#43 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 12:11:53 PM
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Sell the news comes to mind
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#44 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:01:29 PM
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Inflation as well as investment will be affected.Though my main concern is the social impact of the tax.More taxes to fund corruption and inefficiency is a recipe for chaos.The government should really start paying attention to youth unemployment.A large group of young,energetic and discontent individuals coupled with the rise in social networks and the prominence of civil society on media...time bomb!
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#45 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:09:42 PM
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symbols wrote:
Inflation as well as investment will be affected.Though my main concern is the social impact of the tax.More taxes to fund corruption and inefficiency is a recipe for chaos.The government should really start paying attention to youth unemployment.A large group of young,energetic and discontent individuals coupled with the rise in social networks and the prominence of civil society on media...time bomb!


@symbols kindly explain further how the tax will impact investment??
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#46 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:52:45 PM
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guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
Inflation as well as investment will be affected.Though my main concern is the social impact of the tax.More taxes to fund corruption and inefficiency is a recipe for chaos.The government should really start paying attention to youth unemployment.A large group of young,energetic and discontent individuals coupled with the rise in social networks and the prominence of civil society on media...time bomb!


@symbols kindly explain further how the tax will impact investment??


Can't really say because it all depends on how the government will handle this issue as it changes the rules.Tax will definitely affect the allocation of resources in different asset classes since the bottom-line will be affected.I believe this might be one intention for the government as well as redirect resources from the proceeds towards what the government intends to pursue.

Stocks might see a rise in traders,volatility,possible new seasonal trends and increased interest in dividends which will impact share price more than before.Longterm,individuals in real estate for income will benefit more than before because the barriers for entry will go up and a possible limited rise in prices caused by lack of supply.Although I am not confident in the demand as it stands.

With financial ingenuity,special investment vehicles might come up.Something I'll be watching is the appeal of REITS.I'm also keen on watching property threads on Wazua to see if people are cashing out and what's happening to real estate prices.
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#47 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:12:11 PM
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Will Capital Gains Tax end the rampant speculation in land?

If it will, then let us have it.

30% minimum.
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#48 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:37:11 PM
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This is a big issue.Land is the preferred investment vehicle for Kenyans.Land will always rise the preferred slogan.So what happens to the gap in income created by the taxman and how will it affect the economy?

If decline in speculation reduces price of land or at least its acceleration,it will be good for future home owners.But targeting landlords at such rates might not really foster longterm commitment.Rent will affect the cost of business while at the same time disposable income is declining.More tax isn't necessarily bad if it helps Kenya because we would all benefit but corruption!Brick wall

Thinking about it,rising fuel costs and rising cost of rent might be good for online businesses and distribution in terms of economies of scale.
mkeiyd
#49 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:48:14 PM
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symbols wrote:
This is a big issue.Land is the preferred investment vehicle for Kenyans.Land will always rise the preferred slogan.So what happens to the gap in income created by the taxman and how will it affect the economy?

If decline in speculation reduces price of land or at least its acceleration,it will be good for future home owners.But targeting landlords at such rates might not really foster longterm commitment.Rent will affect the cost of business while at the same time disposable income is declining.More tax isn't necessarily bad if it helps Kenya because we would all benefit but corruption!Brick wall



This CGT on land should be to curb speculation. A cap of seven years should be put in place,any trade after the 7 years should not attract CGT.
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#50 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:21:45 PM
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jguru wrote:
Will Capital Gains Tax end the rampant speculation in land?

If it will, then let us have it.

30% minimum.

My opinion is that it will not. And why should it, if potential returns are several multiples of your initial investment? What alternative 'investment' will generate higher returns to dissuade these speculators? Govt. will get its share, and the speculator yake. Both are happy. And with news roads being built, the land rush seems not be fading any time soon. (At least judging from my reading of Wazua posts e.g Namanga, Ngong, etc.) Ama unaonaje?
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#51 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:27:50 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
jguru wrote:
Will Capital Gains Tax end the rampant speculation in land?

If it will, then let us have it.

30% minimum.

My opinion is that it will not. And why should it, if potential returns are several multiples of your initial investment? What alternative 'investment' will generate higher returns to dissuade these speculators? Govt. will get its share, and the speculator yake. Both are happy. And with news roads being built, the land rush seems not be fading any time soon. (At least judging from my reading of Wazua posts e.g Namanga, Ngong, etc.) Ama unaonaje?


I don't know how big an impact it will have but there was this article a few weeks back.

Ministry shelves road projects as State fails to allocate Sh7.5 billion
youcan'tstopusnow
#52 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:28:26 PM
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However, if the Govt. goes the mkeiyd approach above, that will definitely throw a spanner in the works. Not many folks would want to be locked in for 7 years. mkeiyd, that would be very interesting. #FoodForThought
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youcan'tstopusnow
#53 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:54:52 PM
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So many ways the Govt. can apply this thing: tax only half the gains, tax only gains above a certain threshold eg. 500k, etc.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax

Rotich ndio msema kweli. How soon will they move in? This thing could take months to formulate. It could even be shot down. In the meanwhile, I do not believe this is the reason for the current market malaise. I attribute that to normal vagaries of the market.

symbols, I saw that story too. Impact on prices? Or?
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mukiha
#54 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:58:58 PM
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Kenyans are a funny lot: they are complaining that budget did not allocate enough money to various sectors and that the government is borrowing too much, but at the same time they don't want to pay more taxes.

Where do Kenyan's think the money comes from: trees?
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mkeiyd
#55 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:15:51 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
However, if the Govt. goes the mkeiyd approach above, that will definitely throw a spanner in the works. Not many folks would want to be locked in for 7 years. mkeiyd, that would be very interesting. #FoodForThought


@ycsun, It's been done elsewhere to curb speculative land hoarding. This opens opportunities for the "real" real estate developers leading to "cheaper" housing.
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#56 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:16:43 PM
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@mkeiyd - I agree.Flexibility kidogo here and there.

@youcan't - I agree this one needs more thought and hopefully inclusion.I was wondering if it will have an the impact on prices and buying of land in those areas.

@mukiha - I doubt most can appreciate that a government can go 'broke'.
youcan'tstopusnow
#57 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:53:40 PM
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symbols wrote:
@mukiha - I doubt most can appreciate that a government can go 'broke'.

Until it does;-)
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murchr
#58 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:09:49 PM
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I dont see this capita gains tax taking effect, atleast not on the NSE maybe on exploration blocks and Land. It all depends on the MPigs interest.
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#59 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:38:57 PM
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i doubt this tax will come into effect and even if it does we will learn to live with it. just be positioned to take advantage of the new situation
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#60 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:38:13 PM
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Let's assume you bought shares of company A at 3sh, then bought another batch at 5sh and lastly another batch at 8sh. So when you sell at 5sh how is the CGT going to be calculated?
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