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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2007 Posts: 816
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@ caesar - nice one! @Obi 1 - rest assured, I will remind you. Motobex.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/24/2008 Posts: 238
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Caesar & co. topics like this are the stuff politics is made of and SK is rich in political discussion where imagination like the professor's is the 'mother's milk of political discussion' as PLO would put it. Do not be sanctimonious on us. You,me,everyone has a political view and it is fallacious to ask people to be positive if in their opinion you represent what ails this country.
Politicians will always do their thing but in my view what is wrong is the attitude of many that the political fortunes of one individual is somehow tied to the hip with their own fortunes. Do we realise we for long have been on political gymnastics that with the wisdom of hindsight was mainly political nonsense? Who remembers Moi and raila entering into cooperation,then partnership,then marriage,then kasarani kichinjio,then kibaki tosha,then haki yetu,now a country of two principals- whatever all that means! In the meanwhile,society dynamics have seen unprecedented change in the various sectors some quite positive regardless or,even better,in spite of the politics.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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News flash. Step off the red carpet and listen to the suffering citizenry. Kenyans want a chance to vote out the principals including 'your man' the 'ineffective one'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/1/2009 Posts: 31
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Caesar,
I do not intend to hit below the belt,however,i remember you claiming to be the son of one of the top 10 Equity Shareholders. I can see why you imagine people should now turn a blind eye to politics. Please,you sound a bit like some member of the French royal family of Louis XVI. Very comfortable with the status quo.
Quote Caesar:
' Politics must not become what we talk about everyday,who is running what etc. We voted in 2007 and now need a clean period to graze our cows,dig our farms,give tithe in our churches,copy and apply new innovative ideas.'
Who will give solutions without politics? Where does that happen in the world? The solution to all this problems is POLITICAL.
Well you are quite comfy now,surprise!,many Kenyans are not. You don't want people to talk about politics everyday? When the country is in a mess,people talk politics all the time (except in highly censored situations). Citizens talking politics all the time is one of the indicators of poor government,ask someone near you.
Now with the attempt by PNU to steal 9.2billion,i hope you can see the urgency of the situation. Let them switch places,or update the voter register and we go to the ballot. Simple.
Thanks
Prof.
ODM
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 55
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am sorry Prof. but i think your professor of stupidity (Kinu) for that matter,no one can reason with you,those guys wasting there time responding you should just leave you alone. People like you should just die real death.
arsenal fanatic
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/8/2008 Posts: 359
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@Prof
I think the point he was making is that we need to start thinking outside the PNU-ODM cocoon. You are obviously entitled to your political views and party loyalty. But can you see the future outside Raila-Kibaki drama for a change? None of these guys is free of scandal: budget typos,KCPB,Triton,toxic GM maize released into the market etc.
Do you seriously believe that you or your generations lives will change for the better if any of the current frontliners (Raila,Kalonzo,Uhuru,Ruto) takes over in 2012 or even earlier?
In my humble opinion,real change for Kenya (when it does come) will not be from ODM,PNU or their variants.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/25/2007 Posts: 149
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'Ask not what your country can do for you,but what you can do for your country.'
My point was,building a nation is a matter of shared responsibility. Cant be we expect Uhuru to make a budget without cushions when out of 250 days some ODM members spend 100 days just being political.
Those are 100 days wasted on writing new bills,planning for a new bridge,or the next highway. Leadership is not just being called Commander in chief professor. It is governing people who wants to be governed. Who are working day and night to make things better.
What logic explains taking out the railway line? Some of those people can apply their energy digging sewer lines in their community. It is not that people cannot have a better life but they do not know how to. And the educated like you and the other leaders spend more time on politicized issues than is organizing these people improve their lives.
The biggest cost of development is the labor costs,Kenya has a lot of labor resources but even in a community level people wait for government to organize them.
Professor please change your approach,get 5 young people and mentor them on making their lives better,you would have done more for Kenya.
Kenya belongs to all of us. The rich and the poor alike. By this I mean,the rich and middle class pay taxes and make the working Kenya we see to day. Nobody should feel as victim,all should find some responsibility. This can only come with the change of attitude
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/24/2008 Posts: 238
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caesar,may be i misunderstood what you meant by being positive,because bro/sis,you seem to have issues that should put you on the offensive!
You may find it hard though to escape the prof's accusation because,seriously speaking,asking people to get to work is to miss on our social dynamics which includes an army of unemployed youth and biting poverty. Kenya needs some new form of inspirational leadership that addresses these pressing concerns,and the old mantra still holding sway largely in,sorry to say this,central kenya about getting down to work and avoiding politics is under serious test.
Obama proved that one can easily be on the wrong side of history- remember clinton with her almost sense of entitlement,missing out on the dynamics in american politics when she tried to appeal to the base of 'white hard working americans'. caesar,there is a lesson there.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/25/2007 Posts: 149
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The mothers I know wake up at 5 am in the morning to milk their cows. Their sons and daughters wake up at 11am,to bask in the shopping centers smoking gossiping,and filling crossword puzzles,manual labor is not for them,they believe.
It is a common scene to see 5 grown men herding 4 goats who are tied on a trees. They would spend all day there grazing talking politics of the new different ethnic people in their community and then go home to eat food their wives fetch for them.
Out of that idleness comes ideas of genocide and the rest. If those men give their goats to one man to herd I am sure determined they can spend more time doing something useful with their lives.
It is time for everyone to wake up. Professor I have nothing against you. It is just that personally I am applying my best effort for Kenya to be better. And I know,if every Kenyan resolved to do the same the Gap between what is,and what can be can be achieved
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/25/2007 Posts: 55
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@Prof
As a community we are doomed because of two simple biblical instructions
1) We are under a curse because of worshipping a family ever since.Cursed is on who puts his trust in man,weve trusted these people for far to long and forgot about God.We only believe that our problems as a community can only be solved when one of the Odingas become president
2) We have never as a community submitted to the leadership of the day,Kenyatta,Moi and now Kibaki.Leadership is God given and by not being submisive to leadership you are disobeying God
Ask yourself why as a community we do not have any enterpreneur matching the likes of James Mwangi of Equity Bank /Manu Chandaria just to mention but a few oyet how many professors do we have you included.The best way to fight this fight is by economic empowerment of our people not Raila in the morning,Raila in the noon time and Raila at night.Look what Professor Ayieko did to Nambweya at Kisumu airport simply because he mentioned the name of our 'god' Raila.This is what am taking about mate
GOD'S TIMING IS THE BEST
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