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How Government intends to kill the construction industry
kyt
#21 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:48:58 AM
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you are deducted the interests first then the net is taxed so if you took a loan say you are paying 36000 and the rent is 40000 then 4000 is the only net taxed.
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lietmach
#22 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:02:07 AM
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kyt wrote:
you are deducted the interests first then the net is taxed so if you took a loan say you are paying 36000 and the rent is 40000 then 4000 is the only net taxed.


@kyt : not accurate - when you amortise the loan (Ms excel has a similar function), only the interest component is deducted. The remaining portion is considered as income and taxed
Jamani
#23 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:10:38 AM
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@kyt I believe that's the case and if not then one should incorporate a company and be creative in accounting.You can beat the govt on this one if you choose to eliminate the noise and focus on technicalities. Losers will be those that will keep their real estate registered in their names. Be smart incorporate.
Ilikeyou
#24 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:22:28 AM
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Interest on loan is capped at 150k p.a.
The allowable expenses are prorated based on period of renting.
Key money and deposit are also considered as rent income.
Kaigangio
#25 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:56:03 AM
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I think the KRA fellows will not be interested in the interest on borrowed construction capital. They are interested in the gross rent collection minus nothing and applying 30% pap!!! This means that there will be absolutely no money to be made here in the long term as the landlord will be forced to finance the loan gap left by the inability of the business to pay for itself and as such the venture will not be worth the effort and the risk...

Again with the dwindling revenue collections by KRA I have a feeling that they might do the unthinkable. Those KRA idiots had seen all that (about forming a company or incorporating one to handle the real estate) and they know what people will do to deny them that tax...What if the intention of KRA is to separate the corporate's core businesses incomes from the real estate and tax them separately...

...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Jamani
#26 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:08:33 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:


Those KRA idiots had seen all that (about forming a company or incorporating one to handle the real estate) and they know what people will do to deny them that tax...What if the intention of KRA is to separate the corporate's core businesses incomes from the real estate and tax them separately...



There are no what IFs, corporate tax is very clear and no one is talking about changing it. Unless the government is keen to make this country unattractive to local and foreign investments.
Talk is about taxing landlords, that's where focus is, to bring them on tax board.
Jamani
#27 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:12:32 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
I think the KRA fellows will not be interested in the interest on borrowed construction capital. They are interested in the gross rent collection minus nothing and applying 30% pap!!!


That is scary, it doesn't work that way anywhere in the world....even in Somali or DRC.
Kaigangio
#28 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:23:29 PM
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Jamani wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
I think the KRA fellows will not be interested in the interest on borrowed construction capital. They are interested in the gross rent collection minus nothing and applying 30% pap!!!


That is scary, it doesn't work that way anywhere in the world....even in Somali or DRC.


Very true...but saaaaadly, it will work here!!
Soma hiyo article tena and you will understand why we have pure breeds of IDIOTS in KRA!!!
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Jamani
#29 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:31:11 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
Jamani wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
I think the KRA fellows will not be interested in the interest on borrowed construction capital. They are interested in the gross rent collection minus nothing and applying 30% pap!!!


That is scary, it doesn't work that way anywhere in the world....even in Somali or DRC.


Very true...but saaaaadly, it will work here!!
Soma hiyo article tena and you will understand why we have pure breeds of IDIOTS in KRA!!!

Haha okay, I get what you mean and will keep my ears on the ground. Though the best way out of this KRA - landlord issue is to incorporate.
Kaigangio
#30 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38:22 PM
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Jamani wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
Jamani wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
I think the KRA fellows will not be interested in the interest on borrowed construction capital. They are interested in the gross rent collection minus nothing and applying 30% pap!!!


That is scary, it doesn't work that way anywhere in the world....even in Somali or DRC.


Very true...but saaaaadly, it will work here!!
Soma hiyo article tena and you will understand why we have pure breeds of IDIOTS in KRA!!!

Haha okay, I get what you mean and will keep my ears on the ground. Though the best way out of this KRA - landlord issue is to incorporate.


Do you know why the KRA said they would carry out mapping physically on the ground???

I still think the KRA has another ulterior motive...They probably register your property and they be sending you the rentals tax bill at the end of the year irrespective of whether it is a company asset or not, Uta do???
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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