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How Government intends to kill the construction industry
Kaigangio
#1 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 9:05:40 AM
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How Government intends to kill the construction industry

The landlords are not just running away from the tax man but to a larger extent, protecting their real business...

The link: http://www.thepeople.co....-be-evading-the-taxman/
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
VituVingiSana
#2 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 12:58:56 PM
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GoK is not trying to kill the construction industry but the construction industry is notorious for undeclared income. The laborers who get paid in cash [no PAYE], materials [stones, kokoto] bought with cash [no receipts], etc
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#3 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 6:42:50 PM
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The person who came up with this 30% rate is a dimwit. Pure idiot!!!! There is no way I will save up, buy a plot. Save up some more and build a flat and then you show up the first month claiming a third of the rent from that day henceforth totally ignoring all the money I have sunk into the project as if the rent collected is net profit!!! It will take me years [double figure] to break even and all along you are chewing a third of the rent!?

And to make matters worse, the money I was saving to buy the plot and build you had already chewed a third at source!!! What the hell!???

10% withholding tax, maybe. 30% on gross never.

And before people start screaming about the allowed deductions, they are negligible - salary for the caretaker, watchman etc. Bure kabisa!!!

I know and appreciate the fact that the government has to collect taxes to provide services but I support the can't pay, won't pay attitude till the government comes to it's senses and revises the rates to a sensible, logical and fair rate.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
kaifastus
#4 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 7:17:16 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
The person who came up with this 30% rate is a dimwit. Pure idiot!!!! There is no way I will save up, buy a plot. Save up some more and build a flat and then you show up the first month claiming a third of the rent from that day henceforth totally ignoring all the money I have sunk into the project as if the rent collected is net profit!!! It will take me years [double figure] to break even and all along you are chewing a third of the rent!?

And to make matters worse, the money I was saving to buy the plot and build you had already chewed a third at source!!! What the hell!???

10% withholding tax, maybe. 30% on gross never.

And before people start screaming about the allowed deductions, they are negligible - salary for the caretaker, watchman etc. Bure kabisa!!!

I know and appreciate the fact that the government has to collect taxes to provide services but I support the can't pay, won't pay attitude till the government comes to it's senses and revises the rates to a sensible, logical and fair rate.



30% is too much!lets see parliament response..

mawinder
#5 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 8:22:58 PM
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I wonder why people should bother with such things like taxes which can be sorted out by giving chai to the right people at KRA.Even if you pay the money will be lost through corruption.
maka
#6 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 8:32:52 PM
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kaifastus wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
The person who came up with this 30% rate is a dimwit. Pure idiot!!!! There is no way I will save up, buy a plot. Save up some more and build a flat and then you show up the first month claiming a third of the rent from that day henceforth totally ignoring all the money I have sunk into the project as if the rent collected is net profit!!! It will take me years [double figure] to break even and all along you are chewing a third of the rent!?

And to make matters worse, the money I was saving to buy the plot and build you had already chewed a third at source!!! What the hell!???

10% withholding tax, maybe. 30% on gross never.

And before people start screaming about the allowed deductions, they are negligible - salary for the caretaker, watchman etc. Bure kabisa!!!

I know and appreciate the fact that the government has to collect taxes to provide services but I support the can't pay, won't pay attitude till the government comes to it's senses and revises the rates to a sensible, logical and fair rate.



30% is too much!lets see parliament response..


what is the biggest problem here?Is the rate too high or is it the pain that you,ll chuck the 30% and it will end up in someones backpocket at the end of the day as @Mawinder has rightly put it...
possunt quia posse videntur
MaichBlack
#7 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:15:15 AM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
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maka wrote:
kaifastus wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
The person who came up with this 30% rate is a dimwit. Pure idiot!!!! There is no way I will save up, buy a plot. Save up some more and build a flat and then you show up the first month claiming a third of the rent from that day henceforth totally ignoring all the money I have sunk into the project as if the rent collected is net profit!!! It will take me years [double figure] to break even and all along you are chewing a third of the rent!?

And to make matters worse, the money I was saving to buy the plot and build you had already chewed a third at source!!! What the hell!???

10% withholding tax, maybe. 30% on gross never.

And before people start screaming about the allowed deductions, they are negligible - salary for the caretaker, watchman etc. Bure kabisa!!!

I know and appreciate the fact that the government has to collect taxes to provide services but I support the can't pay, won't pay attitude till the government comes to it's senses and revises the rates to a sensible, logical and fair rate.



30% is too much!lets see parliament response..


what is the biggest problem here?Is the rate too high or is it the pain that you,ll chuck the 30% and it will end up in someones backpocket at the end of the day as @Mawinder has rightly put it...

30% on gross totally ignoring the amount invested is TOOOOO much!!! Must be the highest in the world! And considering the level of shortage of decent housing, only an idiot would have come up with this!

And this tax will DEFINITELY be passed to the tenant - who is now also supposed to pay VAT on basic things! TOUGH times for Kenyans ahead! How can Uhuruto sanction VAT on basic items like maize floor, milk etc. while most Kenyans can't afford them even without the tax? And in their first year in power!!??
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#8 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:17:30 AM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,869
maka wrote:
kaifastus wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
The person who came up with this 30% rate is a dimwit. Pure idiot!!!! There is no way I will save up, buy a plot. Save up some more and build a flat and then you show up the first month claiming a third of the rent from that day henceforth totally ignoring all the money I have sunk into the project as if the rent collected is net profit!!! It will take me years [double figure] to break even and all along you are chewing a third of the rent!?

And to make matters worse, the money I was saving to buy the plot and build you had already chewed a third at source!!! What the hell!???

10% withholding tax, maybe. 30% on gross never.

And before people start screaming about the allowed deductions, they are negligible - salary for the caretaker, watchman etc. Bure kabisa!!!

I know and appreciate the fact that the government has to collect taxes to provide services but I support the can't pay, won't pay attitude till the government comes to it's senses and revises the rates to a sensible, logical and fair rate.



30% is too much!lets see parliament response..


what is the biggest problem here?Is the rate too high or is it the pain that you,ll chuck the 30% and it will end up in someones backpocket at the end of the day as @Mawinder has rightly put it...

30% on gross totally ignoring the amount invested is TOOOOO much!!! Must be the highest in the world! And considering the level of shortage of decent housing, only an idiot would have come up with this!

And this tax will DEFINITELY be passed to the tenant - who is now also supposed to pay VAT on basic things! TOUGH times for Kenyans ahead! How can Uhuruto sanction VAT on basic items like maize floor, milk etc. while most Kenyans can't afford them even without the tax? And in their first year in power!!??
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Kaigangio
#9 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:41:59 AM
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For those of us who do not seem to get point, here is an exempli gratia,

I intend to build a block of flats having 15 flats or units at a cost of ksh 1.5 million per flat.

This gives me a total of ksh 22.5 million required for the construction. Add another 10% or kshs 2.25 million for the professional fees.

Assuming you are targeting the middle class rents of kshs 20k the cost of land will be roughly kshs 6 million (Assume you have already bought the plot).

The capital cost requirement for this business will effectively be ksh 24.75 million (say ksh 25m)

Now you approach a financier (HFCK who have cheaper cost of money rates) and present your proposal which they agree to fund.

You construct the 15 units to completion within the shortest time possible.

Assuming that the interest on money borrowed is 15%p.a and the loan is to be paid in 20 years (which is too long a period) I will end up paying a monthly instalment of about ksh 320k to HFCK.

My monthly collection from the business is kshs 375k leaving me with a net of kshs 55k to pay others.

The tax man arrives and demands his 30% of total collection which is kshs 112.5k.

When this happens my returns from the business is kshs -57.5k!!! I will never recover my money...

This scenario will still be similar to the one of an investor having the original construction capital in a bank account...my thoughts.
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
ahoo
#10 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:26:41 AM
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Joined: 2/20/2013
Posts: 47
Kaigangio wrote:
For those of us who do not seem to get point, here is an exempli gratia,

I intend to build a block of flats having 15 flats or units at a cost of ksh 1.5 million per flat.

This gives me a total of ksh 22.5 million required for the construction. Add another 10% or kshs 2.25 million for the professional fees.

Assuming you are targeting the middle class rents of kshs 20k the cost of land will be roughly kshs 6 million (Assume you have already bought the plot).

The capital cost requirement for this business will effectively be ksh 24.75 million (say ksh 25m)

Now you approach a financier (HFCK who have cheaper cost of money rates) and present your proposal which they agree to fund.

You construct the 15 units to completion within the shortest time possible.

Assuming that the interest on money borrowed is 15%p.a and the loan is to be paid in 20 years (which is too long a period) I will end up paying a monthly instalment of about ksh 320k to HFCK.

My monthly collection from the business is kshs 375k leaving me with a net of kshs 55k to pay others.

The tax man arrives and demands his 30% of total collection which is kshs 112.5k.

When this happens my returns from the business is kshs -57.5k!!! I will never recover my money...

This scenario will still be similar to the one of an investor having the original construction capital in a bank account...my thoughts.


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