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Pope 'says' there is a 'gay lobby'
Um Sayala
#1 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 8:23:57 AM
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Catholics in the house, do we have a branch of this lobby in Kenya.
The church (read catholic) has always denied this but secretly it happens, including sexual child molestation.

Sasa hata pope amekubali.

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AlphDoti
#2 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 12:36:46 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
And do you know what vatican say when they are contacted about these? They say "no comment".

So what did you see happen?
The Pope instead quits. And you'll never hear any reply or explanation. Nothing.

The true reason why Pope resigned was not disclosed. What you were told were just cover-up of what really happened.

This must have been big blow to the followers.
They were shocked.
- They didn't expect that.
- They didn't know a Pope can quit

About Infallibility?
- According to these people's belief, Pope is above reproach.
- Flawless
- Foolproof
- Perfect...
- This is in their belief system

So did Pope choose to quit
...when infallibility left him? Or while he still infallible?

This must be troubling and shaking spiritually.
This is shaking their faith to the core.

They say Pope is appointed by God Himself.

NOTE: Jesus (peace be upon him) said in Mark 10:18: "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone"
chepkel
#3 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 1:46:21 PM
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Posts: 741
Location: Nairobi
@AlphDoti are you speculating or putting a point across. In other words, whats your point???
McReggae
#4 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 2:00:08 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/17/2008
Posts: 23,365
Location: Nairobi
chepkel wrote:
@AlphDoti are you speculating or putting a point across. In other words, whats your point???


He doesn't miss a chance to throw barbs at chritianity...hides!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
AlphDoti
#5 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 2:44:10 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
McReggae wrote:
chepkel wrote:
@AlphDoti are you speculating or putting a point across. In other words, whats your point???

He doesn't miss a chance to throw barbs at chritianity...hides!!!

You see I'm just apealing to you smile

The idea of having man gods
There are many religions who have believed that some human being is actually God.
I take opportunity to appeal.
I take the examples I see here.
Now the example is Pope, in the Christianity.

There are Christians who claim that Jesus is God Liar Shame on you Pray
- That he is not just the son of Allah, but he's Allah.
- That he's part and the same thing as God.

That's why I appeal to such common sense
Because some people used to worship Mary, and some Christians used to believe also Mary is God.
Catholics believe that Mary is the mother of God!

Mother of God!
- That God had a mum
- So God used to say "mama mama"
- Changing God's nappy.
- Cleaning God's buttocks when he's done a poo.
- Feeding God.

This is what they say, "mother of God"!
What is this to say that some human being is God?

Allah makes things clear to us in the Quran.
Didn't he walk on earth, and breath air, and eat food, went to the market place to buy things...

See how people are deluded away from the truth Shame on you Shame on you

God says in the Quran if He wanted to destroy Jesus, or Mary or the world, who could stop Him?
Of course nobody!
That shows that God has power over Jesus and Mary.
God has power over them and they are under the authority of God.
They can't be the same as God.

What is this they say something is man and God at the same time!
This is an impossibility.

By definition
God is infinite, self sufficient, and eternal.

Human being by definition
is temporary, mortal, and needy.

How can something be eternal and temporary both at the same time?
How can something be self-sufficient and needy both at the same time?
How can something be eternal and finite both at the same time?

This is not inconsistency.
It is an impossibility by definition.

The Quran appeals to this as well:
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say Of Allah ought but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and the Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son. To Him (Allah) Belong all things in the heavens And on earth. And enough Is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
Meduza
#6 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 2:57:03 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 2/7/2013
Posts: 447
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
And do you know what vatican say when they are contacted about these? They say "no comment".

So what did you see happen?
The Pope instead quits. And you'll never hear any reply or explanation. Nothing.

The true reason why Pope resigned was not disclosed. What you were told were just cover-up of what really happened.

This must have been big blow to the followers.
They were shocked.
- They didn't expect that.
- They didn't know a Pope can quit

About Infallibility?
- According to these people's belief, Pope is above reproach.
- Flawless
- Foolproof
- Perfect...
- This is in their belief system

So did Pope choose to quit
...when infallibility left him? Or while he still infallible?

This must be troubling and shaking spiritually.
This is shaking their faith to the core.

They say Pope is appointed by God Himself.

NOTE: Jesus (peace be upon him) said in Mark 10:18: "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone"


mmmh that was a cannon loooong time ago. And yes the POPE can quit. I dont think it really trouble us or shook our faith, he is human, and looking at him, he was actually frail and had lost alot of weight. Everything to do with his health. Yes the church has scandals, which one doesnt? he is our representative.

I dont think that verse is really well put to this...the pope is human like everyone else, so are the priest hence the scandals in the church
You cant win, unless you first begin....
Meduza
#7 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 3:02:07 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 2/7/2013
Posts: 447
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
McReggae wrote:
chepkel wrote:
@AlphDoti are you speculating or putting a point across. In other words, whats your point???

He doesn't miss a chance to throw barbs at chritianity...hides!!!

You see I'm just apealing to you smile

The idea of having man gods
There are many religions who have believed that some human being is actually God.
I take opportunity to appeal.
I take the examples I see here.
Now the example is Pope, in the Christianity.

There are Christians who claim that Jesus is God Liar Shame on you Pray
- That he is not just the son of Allah, but he's Allah.
- That he's part and the same thing as God.

That's why I appeal to such common sense
Because some people used to worship Mary, and some Christians used to believe also Mary is God.
Catholics believe that Mary is the mother of God!

Mother of God!
- That God had a mum
- So God used to say "mama mama"
- Changing God's nappy.
- Cleaning God's buttocks when he's done a poo.
- Feeding God.

This is what they say, "mother of God"!
What is this to say that some human being is God?

Allah makes things clear to us in the Quran.
Didn't he walk on earth, and breath air, and eat food, went to the market place to buy things...

See how people are deluded away from the truth Shame on you Shame on you

God says in the Quran if He wanted to destroy Jesus, or Mary or the world, who could stop Him?
Of course nobody!
That shows that God has power over Jesus and Mary.
God has power over them and they are under the authority of God.
They can't be the same as God.

What is this they say something is man and God at the same time!
This is an impossibility.

By definition
God is infinite, self sufficient, and eternal.

Human being by definition
is temporary, mortal, and needy.

How can something be eternal and temporary both at the same time?
How can something be self-sufficient and needy both at the same time?
How can something be eternal and finite both at the same time?

This is not inconsistency.
It is an impossibility by definition.

The Quran appeals to this as well:
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say Of Allah ought but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and the Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son. To Him (Allah) Belong all things in the heavens And on earth. And enough Is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.


My friend...religion is man made.. Respect what others believe, dont try to challenge it. No one wins with challenging it. Until the day the gods stand and fight and we watch to see which of them wins, then your faith and our beliefs is all you have here on earth.
You cant win, unless you first begin....
McReggae
#8 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 3:08:01 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/17/2008
Posts: 23,365
Location: Nairobi
Meduza wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
McReggae wrote:
chepkel wrote:
@AlphDoti are you speculating or putting a point across. In other words, whats your point???

He doesn't miss a chance to throw barbs at chritianity...hides!!!

You see I'm just apealing to you smile

The idea of having man gods
There are many religions who have believed that some human being is actually God.
I take opportunity to appeal.
I take the examples I see here.
Now the example is Pope, in the Christianity.

There are Christians who claim that Jesus is God Liar Shame on you Pray
- That he is not just the son of Allah, but he's Allah.
- That he's part and the same thing as God.

That's why I appeal to such common sense
Because some people used to worship Mary, and some Christians used to believe also Mary is God.
Catholics believe that Mary is the mother of God!

Mother of God!
- That God had a mum
- So God used to say "mama mama"
- Changing God's nappy.
- Cleaning God's buttocks when he's done a poo.
- Feeding God.

This is what they say, "mother of God"!
What is this to say that some human being is God?

Allah makes things clear to us in the Quran.
Didn't he walk on earth, and breath air, and eat food, went to the market place to buy things...

See how people are deluded away from the truth Shame on you Shame on you

God says in the Quran if He wanted to destroy Jesus, or Mary or the world, who could stop Him?
Of course nobody!
That shows that God has power over Jesus and Mary.
God has power over them and they are under the authority of God.
They can't be the same as God.

What is this they say something is man and God at the same time!
This is an impossibility.

By definition
God is infinite, self sufficient, and eternal.

Human being by definition
is temporary, mortal, and needy.

How can something be eternal and temporary both at the same time?
How can something be self-sufficient and needy both at the same time?
How can something be eternal and finite both at the same time?

This is not inconsistency.
It is an impossibility by definition.

The Quran appeals to this as well:
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say Of Allah ought but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and the Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son. To Him (Allah) Belong all things in the heavens And on earth. And enough Is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.


My friend...religion is man made.. Respect what others believe, dont try to challenge it. No one wins with challenging it. Until the day the gods stand and fight and we watch to see which of them wins, then your faith and our beliefs is all you have here on earth.



Applause Applause Applause Agreed, this chest thumping that mine is better does not help anything!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
AlphDoti
#9 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 3:54:02 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Meduza wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
And do you know what vatican say when they are contacted about these? They say "no comment".

So what did you see happen?
The Pope instead quits. And you'll never hear any reply or explanation. Nothing.

The true reason why Pope resigned was not disclosed. What you were told were just cover-up of what really happened.

This must have been big blow to the followers.
They were shocked.
- They didn't expect that.
- They didn't know a Pope can quit

About Infallibility?
- According to these people's belief, Pope is above reproach.
- Flawless
- Foolproof
- Perfect...
- This is in their belief system

So did Pope choose to quit
...when infallibility left him? Or while he still infallible?

This must be troubling and shaking spiritually.
This is shaking their faith to the core.

They say Pope is appointed by God Himself.

NOTE: Jesus (peace be upon him) said in Mark 10:18: "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone"


mmmh that was a cannon loooong time ago. And yes the POPE can quit. I dont think it really trouble us or shook our faith, he is human, and looking at him, he was actually frail and had lost alot of weight. Everything to do with his health. Yes the church has scandals, which one doesnt? he is our representative.

I dont think that verse is really well put to this...the pope is human like everyone else, so are the priest hence the scandals in the church

First, they told us he's quiting because he was getting too old.
Then, they said there was leaked information that he might have had bypass, secret ones..
Then, they said he went to a trip somewhere and he hit his head..

They keep coming with different reasons.

And now you say he quit because of his poor health?
Come on now. This is ery unimaginable. You can't say that as a Christian.
You know as a catholic, and as a member of CHristian faith you can't say that about the Pope!

Because you must read from the Gospel according to Mark 16:17
It quotes Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), telling Christians of all dinominations and Churches:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe;"
"In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"
"They shall take up serpents;
"and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;"
"they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

THis is for those who believe.

So when the Pope gets sick, all these bishops and priests and monks and nuns around him.
All his Christians believers, didn't they placed their hands the Pope?
And he didn't get well?

Because this is one of the signs that follow those who truly believe according to Jesus Christ.

So if Pope didn't get well (I'm not talking about just ordinary person here).
Well little wonder now you read about Catholics and other Christians telling the world that they have lost faith.

They also quit.
They quit on being Catholics.
Or they quit on being Christians.

So many things facing the catholic Church
There are many news and reports in his involvement in sex crimes, pedophilia, child abuse...
That's why you hear him being accused of crime against humanity.
Vatican accused of money laundering, mafia..
Meduza
#10 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 4:10:05 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 2/7/2013
Posts: 447
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
Meduza wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
And do you know what vatican say when they are contacted about these? They say "no comment".

So what did you see happen?
The Pope instead quits. And you'll never hear any reply or explanation. Nothing.

The true reason why Pope resigned was not disclosed. What you were told were just cover-up of what really happened.

This must have been big blow to the followers.
They were shocked.
- They didn't expect that.
- They didn't know a Pope can quit

About Infallibility?
- According to these people's belief, Pope is above reproach.
- Flawless
- Foolproof
- Perfect...
- This is in their belief system

So did Pope choose to quit
...when infallibility left him? Or while he still infallible?

This must be troubling and shaking spiritually.
This is shaking their faith to the core.

They say Pope is appointed by God Himself.

NOTE: Jesus (peace be upon him) said in Mark 10:18: "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone"


mmmh that was a cannon loooong time ago. And yes the POPE can quit. I dont think it really trouble us or shook our faith, he is human, and looking at him, he was actually frail and had lost alot of weight. Everything to do with his health. Yes the church has scandals, which one doesnt? he is our representative.

I dont think that verse is really well put to this...the pope is human like everyone else, so are the priest hence the scandals in the church

First, they told us he's quiting because he was getting too old.
Then, they said there was leaked information that he might have had bypass, secret ones..
Then, they said he went to a trip somewhere and he hit his head..

They keep coming with different reasons.

And now you say he quit because of his poor health?
Come on now. This is ery unimaginable. You can't say that as a Christian.
You know as a catholic, and as a member of CHristian faith you can't say that about the Pope!

Because you must read from the Gospel according to Mark 16:17
It quotes Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), telling Christians of all dinominations and Churches:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe;"
"In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"
"They shall take up serpents;
"and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;"
"they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

THis is for those who believe.

So when the Pope gets sick, all these bishops and priests and monks and nuns around him.
All his Christians believers, didn't they placed their hands the Pope?
And he didn't get well?

Because this is one of the signs that follow those who truly believe according to Jesus Christ.

So if Pope didn't get well (I'm not talking about just ordinary person here).
Well little wonder now you read about Catholics and other Christians telling the world that they have lost faith.

They also quit.
They quit on being Catholics.
Or they quit on being Christians.

So many things facing the catholic Church
There are many news and reports in his involvement in sex crimes, pedophilia, child abuse...
That's why you hear him being accused of crime against humanity.
Vatican accused of money laundering, mafia..


Every religion has its scandal...why? the leaders are created of human flesh who are prone to temptations and sin. Hence the scandals. Am not condoning them, but they have happened. Many people including catholics would want their priests to marry, but until the church allows, we remain faithful to that decision.

he he he i like that quote you give 'Mark...' yes you can be a leader, pope, priest, khadi, sheikh, monk, rabbi and all, but you need to have faith to do any of that(miracles, healing etc). Us Christians believe that faith can move mountains, but having faith is not easy, that is why Jesus talked about the mustard seed...can you imagine that small tiny seed kind of faith is enough to do enormous things...but Jesus knew human beings dont even have that kind of faith. The church leaders are human beings, not some gods, but when they speak we believe they speak with authority from God. We believe they are inspired to give us the word of God.
You cant win, unless you first begin....
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