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Confusion in God?
Ante_Christa
#101 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:47:28 PM
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tycho wrote:
Meduza wrote:
Ante_Christa wrote:
Meduza wrote:
Ante_Christa wrote:
No.




Now am confused? what was the answer? what was the question...


The answer is No because I am not any better than anyone else for I am also just one of them who needs the sympathy of love and the self sacrifice of the redeemer and his cross.

I forget the question. I only remember the answer.


I guess that sums it up....smile smile



@Ante_C, if your answer is 'no', then you contradict yourself on the 'Cross' you claim to have come with.

1. Your idea of sacrifice, that is, royalty accepting humiliation for the sake of others, cannot be true for your case.

2. By virtue of the above inference, it is not clear whether you are conscious of your self, hence I doubt whether you have the capacity to deny yourself.

3. Given the above statements, and context of our interview, it cannot be shown that you have obeyed Christ's teaching, you clearly don't know who Christ is.

4. If you knew from the beginning that you aren't better than @Mukiri, tycho and AlphDoti, and that you need the truth much as they need it, why did you create the impression that you are exclusive, and that these errant people were getting a favor from you when you asked them for what you knew they could not offer?

Perhaps you'll say that you were provoking us through role play. This supposition is supported by your name, and clever defense of it, but this in effect implies superiority, or thoughts of superiority. But such notions can't make and uphold the Church.

This whole exercise wasn't meant to help find the truth. It was meant to demonstrate your superiority, your ego. This is why you believed I had a 'questionnaire'.

You can't plead ignorance either. Your choice of 'No' for an answer, and your many other posts are evidence that you are aware of the existence of truth and the laws of God.



I made no claim to have borne the cross. I made no such boast. Kindly point out where I did so, if I did.

1. I am not Christ to bear the humiliation and sacrifice for others. So yes, it is not true in my case.

2. I am not going down that road, no sir!

3. I have made no such claim that I have obeyed christs' teachings. I take upon myself no such presumptions.

4. From the onset, I was looking for others. The accusation of exclusivity is news to me.

But from what I have seen, you and mukiri are definitely not them I am looking for.

Call it exclusivity or whatever, but it is just a fact. On the other hand, I did make a promise to alphdoti. You can take me up on that if I fulfill it or not.

My search did not change and has not changed despite side shows.

5. You can go ahead and discuss my user name with mukiri. You two will have a lot to talk about and to share.

6. What is an interview without a list of questions? I am humbled by your opinion that I am superior but I will decline it.

You were going to accuse the same whether I said yes anyway.

Now that you accept I know the truth and the laws of God, can you kindly, please, point me to the others who do the same, if you can?
Ante_Christa
#102 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:51:44 PM
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McReggae wrote:
tycho wrote:
i_am_saved wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

Alot about what has been spoken into your life by your parents/family/community etc.

And seeing as this ID is 'just for me' whats with the small 'i'? Low self esteem?


Mukiri, man is not God to speak something and it comes to existence.

Or are they like God who spoke and it was done?

You cannot be serious that you believe that lie.

Post number 52 has a diagram. Use it to see which lie you have believed in and take remedial measures.


Man was given the power to name, and redemption entails the perfection of the relationship between Man and God, and consequently Man has no other word but God's word.

The distinction between Man and God ceases in such a context.
'Thy will be done on earth, as in heaven . . .' Every word is judgment.


Kwani we A.C, all along you have been engaging @Tycho without the knowledge he is man god?????


McReggae, I did know his claims, I was not ignorant of them.

The one I did not know about was Mukiri - that he is also man god.

Mukiri believes man can speak something into existence as if they were gods into other peoples lives and that peoples names have powers Tycho, well, believes man is god.

tycho
#103 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:55:33 PM
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Ante_C, your game is over. I have no more to add to you.

Mukiri
#104 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:48:55 PM
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i_am_saved wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

Alot about what has been spoken into your life by your parents/family/community etc.

And seeing as this ID is 'just for me' whats with the small 'i'? Low self esteem?


Mukiri, man is not God to speak something and it comes to existence.

Or are they like God who spoke and it was done?

You cannot be serious that you believe that lie.

Post number 52 has a diagram. Use it to see which lie you have believed in and take remedial measures.

You see, even to a small oversights of the 'i' you impute meanings and concoct conjecture. You Mukiri!


Mark 11:22-24
2 Corinthians 4:13
Matthew 21:22
2 Corinthians 4:18
Genesis 1:1-31
Matthew 12:34-36

And many more. Most importantly Proverbs 18:21.

DEVIL I REBUKE YOU IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!! BE GONE AWAY FROM ME

Proverbs 19:21
Rollout
#105 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:03:36 PM
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@ Mukiri and Ante-Christa.

We need to look at everything from the larger picture.

1) There is a GOD
2) The bible might not have been written by God inspired people.
3) Because of number 2) We need to look at God outside what the bible or Koran tells us
4) All these religions are just a way to try to understand who the creator is, some are far from the truth and some are closer to the truth.
5)Jesus and Mohammed are just random names that are used by different religons they sound cool but thats just about it.
6) I believe in God but not within the teachings of any book.
Behemoth
#106 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:48:46 PM
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Ante_Christa wrote:
Behemoth wrote:


@ Ante_Christa:

You have a genuine desire but searching for the wrong thing...



Behemoth, who knows what I am searching for but me?

Or do you also know what I am searching for?

I am currently indulging a know-it-all tycho who knows what I am searching for.

You can join our search-bandwagon we see what I am searching for.

And what you have put there has simply gone over my head. Perhaps you didnt mean it for me.


@ Ante_Christa - Ua first post was abt an searching for an "ORGANIZATION/CHURCH" which still portrays God as was/is meant to be.

This search is driven by a "DESIRE".

And the "DESIRE" to get this organization exists in ALL humans, I mean ALL humans on PLANET EARTH!

Now, Human being's attempt to find it has resulted into all the "CONFUSION" u are referring to.

Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
Meduza
#107 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:12:56 PM
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Each religion believes they have the path to the truth about the bigger being-deity. we just give them different name. Please dont dig deeper...just believe...

You cant win, unless you first begin....
digitek1
#108 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:21:28 PM
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almost missed this. Hillarious Laughing out loudly
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
i_am_saved
#109 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 2:57:43 PM
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Posts: 69
Mukiri wrote:
i_am_saved wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

Alot about what has been spoken into your life by your parents/family/community etc.

And seeing as this ID is 'just for me' whats with the small 'i'? Low self esteem?


Mukiri, man is not God to speak something and it comes to existence.

Or are they like God who spoke and it was done?

You cannot be serious that you believe that lie.

Post number 52 has a diagram. Use it to see which lie you have believed in and take remedial measures.

You see, even to a small oversights of the 'i' you impute meanings and concoct conjecture. You Mukiri!


Mark 11:22-24
2 Corinthians 4:13
Matthew 21:22
2 Corinthians 4:18
Genesis 1:1-31
Matthew 12:34-36

And many more. Most importantly Proverbs 18:21.

DEVIL I REBUKE YOU IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!! BE GONE AWAY FROM ME



Oh!

Let me check .............

Nope!

Still right here!

I told you your words cannot create anything. You are not God, you know.

Perhaps, do you want to try again?
Just for Mukiri.
Mtu Biz
#110 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 3:13:04 PM
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Joined: 1/16/2007
Posts: 1,320
Ante_Christa wrote:
Is there any evidence that God did or does anything in a haphazard manner?

No. On the contrary there is evidence and stories that God did (and still does) everything orderly and decently.

From the earliest times when God dealt with large groups there was organisation with internal systems and order. From Moses to David to Nehemiah to Jesus to the apostles.

For example James remained in Jerusalem to organise and oversee while others were sent to Rome Philipi etc.

Saul upon his conversion and direct communication with Jesus himself was sent to someone to be told what to do. He did not go off to start his independent:

a) Jerusalem Pentecostal Church,
b) Pauline Evangelistic Ministry,
c) Damascus Road Harvest Church,
d) The Word Bethel Church,
e) Damascus Holy Spirit Revelation Church,
f) Redeemed Damascus Gospel International Church etc

he was sent into the already existing organized church and from here he was sent out to Asia and Europe.

so in present times with countless organizations purporting to represent God is there an organization that God has identified as his own and thats he works through?

is there an organization that claims to be Gods organized church?0

there must be, there has to be.

I cannot for one minute believe that God works in a cacophony of organizations, for confusion no matter how organized is not his method.

Where can i find this organization? What is its name?


@Ante Christa

This has been a most mind numbing experience reading through this thread.

To answer your questions....

There are countless organizations that claim to be Gods organised church.

God has historically worked through 2 Organised groups only.

1. The Jewish ethnic grouping/nation of Israel.
2. The Church - Jew and Gentile alike.

According to the scriptures,

1. Jesus the Christ is the head of the body, which is the church
Col1:18
2. The church is comprised of those whom Jesus spoke of to the woman at the well thus

(John 4:24)

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”


These worshipers spoken of by Jesus do not subscribe to any earthly identity or organization as much as they subscribe to Jesus the Christ Himself.

Their faith and allegiance is not tied to any earthly organization as much as it is tied to Jesus Christ.

You will therefore be hard pressed to find this organization.. yet it does exist, and is described here...


Hebrews 12


22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


Consider the dialogue between Jesus and Pointus Pilate before his crucifiction


John 18


33 Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

34 Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”

35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”

36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”

Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”



Your answer is in verse 36 above.

The organization you seek exists as a Kingdom. A Kingdom not of this world. A Heavenly Kingdom.
The citizens of this Kingdom are citizens by birth and this not of Natural descent or a husbands will.. but born of God.

Sola Scriptura


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