Ante_Christa wrote:Is there any evidence that God did or does anything in a haphazard manner?
No. On the contrary there is evidence and stories that God did (and still does) everything orderly and decently.
From the earliest times when God dealt with large groups there was organisation with internal systems and order. From Moses to David to Nehemiah to Jesus to the apostles.
For example James remained in Jerusalem to organise and oversee while others were sent to Rome Philipi etc.
Saul upon his conversion and direct communication with Jesus himself was sent to someone to be told what to do. He did not go off to start his independent:
a) Jerusalem Pentecostal Church,
b) Pauline Evangelistic Ministry,
c) Damascus Road Harvest Church,
d) The Word Bethel Church,
e) Damascus Holy Spirit Revelation Church,
f) Redeemed Damascus Gospel International Church etc
he was sent into the already existing organized church and from here he was sent out to Asia and Europe.
so in present times with countless organizations purporting to represent God is there an organization that God has identified as his own and thats he works through?
is there an organization that claims to be Gods organized church?0
there must be, there has to be.
I cannot for one minute believe that God works in a cacophony of organizations, for confusion no matter how organized is not his method.
Where can i find this organization? What is its name?
@Ante Christa
This has been a most mind numbing experience reading through this thread.
To answer your questions....
There are countless
organizations that claim to be Gods organised church.
God has historically worked through 2 Organised groups only.
1. The Jewish ethnic grouping/nation of Israel.
2. The Church - Jew and Gentile alike.
According to the scriptures,
1. Jesus the Christ is the head of the body, which is the church
Col1:18
2. The church is comprised of those whom Jesus spoke of to the woman at the well thus
(John 4:24)
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
These worshipers spoken of by Jesus do not subscribe to any earthly identity or organization
as much as they subscribe to Jesus the Christ Himself.
Their faith and allegiance is not tied to any earthly organization as much as it is tied to Jesus Christ.
You will therefore be hard pressed to find this organization.. yet it does exist, and is described here...
Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Consider the dialogue between Jesus and Pointus Pilate before his crucifiction
John 18
33 Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
34 Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”
35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”
Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
Your answer is in verse 36 above.
The organization you seek exists as a Kingdom. A Kingdom not of this world. A Heavenly Kingdom.
The citizens of this Kingdom are citizens by birth and this not of Natural descent or a husbands will.. but born of God.