Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Yaani this thing we created was a toothless bulldog all along?!
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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2012 wrote:Yaani this thing we created was a toothless bulldog all along?! Yeah. Just like those Art&Craft, Home Science and Music Classes you attended for 8 years. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Case will go to the supreme court...You can expect the supreme court to redeem its .... by saying the whole process was unconstitutional ... The senate will carry the day...My thoughts!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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2012 wrote:Yaani this thing we created was a toothless bulldog all along?! I told you guys! I used to get shocked on seeing the likes of Orengo, Kituyi, Khalwale and Kerrow going for this hse.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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By the way, the division of revenue bill which divides revenue among counties still goes back to the national assembly...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Lolest! wrote:By the way, the division of revenue bill which divides revenue among counties still goes back to the national assembly... Does every bill from the Senate go back to NA or it is just the revenue bill?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Toothless or intentionally being made to be toothless by the powers that be??? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Yaani this thing we created was a toothless bulldog all along?! I told you guys! I used to get shocked on seeing the likes of Orengo, Kituyi, Khalwale and Kerrow going for this hse. I had so much respect for this office. I thought it was like in the US kumbe they are the lower house! We have to admit the guys who put together this constitution blundered somewhere. So can Senate fire the President without backlash from the 'upper house' Parliament?
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Yaani this thing we created was a toothless bulldog all along?! I told you guys! I used to get shocked on seeing the likes of Orengo, Kituyi, Khalwale and Kerrow going for this hse. I had so much respect for this office. I thought it was like in the US kumbe they are the lower house! We have to admit the guys who put together this constitution blundered somewhere. So can Senate fire the President without backlash from the 'upper house' Parliament? Now is when we are seeing the flaws...it has so much room for multiple interpretation of clauses... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Wendz wrote:Lolest! wrote:By the way, the division of revenue bill which divides revenue among counties still goes back to the national assembly... Does every bill from the Senate go back to NA or it is just the revenue bill? just this one. But the good thing is that they can review it later.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Devolution will make the central gov't less relevant. That's the power of the Senate. We are still stuck on nataka serekali mentality. Wait a couple of years when you start seeing the strength of the counties versus the central gov't. The executive is trying to maintain its relevance in mashinani by giving less money. The national assembly knows that as the days go by, those county governors will have more money than they have and can marshall their support base at any moment. Money is power and the senate will decide how much money goes to mashinani. Give it a few years and your MP will be begging for the governor's support and so will the president. The governor to perform will need the senator to get enough cash to run his agenda. Who do you think will get more support in mashinani. The MP who will say that I made laws to help you including one that increased my salary, or the governor who will say, I built that road? The governor to build that road will need the senator. Therein lies the fight. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:Toothless or intentionally being made to be toothless by the powers that be??? if you remember, some of us were already telling you that the senate is useless even before we went to the polls. Around the time her excellency the good lady the wazua admin banned me two months ago, i had a thread on this. Read the constitution utaona it's true. But of late i have had to admit that it's not completely useless. In division of revenue bill each county gets only 1 vote thus protecting minorities as Nairobi and Lamu will each get 1 vote while if the N.A was debating it Nai will have 17 votes with Lamu having 2. But still, we can scrap senate and have governors counil debate such
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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alma wrote:Devolution will make the central gov't less relevant.
That's the power of the Senate.
We are still stuck on nataka serekali mentality. Wait a couple of years when you start seeing the strength of the counties versus the central gov't.
The executive is trying to maintain its relevance in mashinani by giving less money. The national assembly knows that as the days go by, those county governors will have more money than they have and can marshall their support base at any moment.
Money is power and the senate will decide how much money goes to mashinani.
Give it a few years and your MP will be begging for the governor's support and so will the president. The governor to perform will need the senator to get enough cash to run his agenda.
Who do you think will get more support in mashinani. The MP who will say that I made laws to help you including one that increased my salary, or the governor who will say, I built that road? The governor to build that road will need the senator. Therein lies the fight. ...Teach them Mbloo...Teach them...The starting point is the The constitution of Kenya, which is a small booklet that one can read as as he/she sits on a toilet seat...Why did Kenyans stop reading? Hata kusoma gazeti ni shida!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:Devolution will make the central gov't less relevant.
That's the power of the Senate.
We are still stuck on nataka serekali mentality. Wait a couple of years when you start seeing the strength of the counties versus the central gov't.
The executive is trying to maintain its relevance in mashinani by giving less money. The national assembly knows that as the days go by, those county governors will have more money than they have and can marshall their support base at any moment.
Money is power and the senate will decide how much money goes to mashinani.
Give it a few years and your MP will be begging for the governor's support and so will the president. The governor to perform will need the senator to get enough cash to run his agenda.
Who do you think will get more support in mashinani. The MP who will say that I made laws to help you including one that increased my salary, or the governor who will say, I built that road? The governor to build that road will need the senator. Therein lies the fight. I can't agree more, the central government wants the counties to be dependent on them, that's why the Devolution ministry (central) have a high budget yet they don't want the direct county allocations to be high!!!.....the smart Governors will smote them out as investors and aid start going to the county Governments direct!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@magigi, it would be good to quote the relevant parts of the constitution. For me,as ignorant as you believe I am, I am basing my argument on what Mbadi has already been telling us in the functions of the NA vs senate in article 95 n 96. Then read art 203. Na utulie mblo
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/10/2008 Posts: 480
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alma wrote:Devolution will make the central gov't less relevant.
That's the power of the Senate.
We are still stuck on nataka serekali mentality. Wait a couple of years when you start seeing the strength of the counties versus the central gov't.
The executive is trying to maintain its relevance in mashinani by giving less money. The national assembly knows that as the days go by, those county governors will have more money than they have and can marshall their support base at any moment.
Article 203- Equitable share and other financial laws.
(2) For every financial year, the equitable share of the revenue raised nationally that is allocated to county governments shall be not less than fifteen per cent of all revenue collected by the national government.
Is the Ksh. 210B less than 15% of the most recent audited accounts of revenue?
Money is power and the senate will decide how much money goes to mashinani.
Article 95 - Role of the National Assembly.
95.(4) The National Assembly—
(a) determines the allocation of national revenue between the levels of government, as provided in Part 4 of Chapter Twelve;
Article 217 - Division of revenue.
217. (1) Once every five years, the Senate shall, by resolution, determine the basis for allocating among the counties the share of national revenue that is annually allocated to the county level of government.
So who really has the power to decide how much money goes to mashinani?
Give it a few years and your MP will be begging for the governor's support and so will the president. The governor to perform will need the senator to get enough cash to run his agenda.
Who do you think will get more support in mashinani. The MP who will say that I made laws to help you including one that increased my salary, or the governor who will say, I built that road? The governor to build that road will need the senator. Therein lies the fight. My take...the Supreme Court will have quite a busy schedule the next 5-10 years before people realize what they can do or not do.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Thanks Shotgun for bringing real food for thought on the table. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@shotgun, thanks. Pls also quote for honourable wazuans article 203(3). I am using my phone that's why i can't quote. The problem is we listen too much to civil society cliches that we have seen quoted here.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/10/2008 Posts: 480
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Lolest! wrote:@shotgun, thanks. Pls also quote for honourable wazuans article 203(3). I am using my phone that's why i can't quote. The problem is we listen too much to civil society cliches that we have seen quoted here. There you go @Lolest! Quote:Equitable share and other financial laws.
203. (2) For every financial year, the equitable share of the revenue raised nationally that is allocated to county governments shall be not less than fifteen per cent of all revenue collected by the national government.
(3) The amount referred to in clause (2) shall be calculated on the basis of the most recent audited accounts of revenue received, as approved by the National Assembly.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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@ Shotgun.....I think you should have considered the other sections of article 217
(3) Within ten days after the Senate adopts a resolution under clause (1), the Speaker of the Senate shall refer the resolution to the Speaker of the National Assembly.
(4) Within sixty days after the Senate’s resolution is referred under clause (3), the National Assembly may consider the resolution, and vote to approve it, with or without amendments, or to reject it.
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