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Shoot straight - are these 2 writers biased against women?
muganda
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:26:03 AM
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I read BusinessDaily on occasion. Two male writers are being accused of being against women. Is it taboo for men to discuss women, please let me know whether I'm missing something smile

FIRST: Two weeks ago, Frank Njenga wrote an article about a woman who wants to confess about being abused by a respected uncle when she was a teenager. The problem it was over 30 years ago, she's long married and has two children.

In the advice given in the column, Dr. Njenga wondered what her real motive was so many years later. http://www.businessdailyafrica..../0/-/au2vpc/-/index.html


THEN: Only last week, Peter Mutua wrote an article about having too many women leaders in a firm. His opinion was if women constitute a significant majority of management in a workplace, the resulting corporate environment can be disturbing http://www.businessdailyafrica....80/-/bemgf2/-/index.html

Today a writer penned a reaction in an opinion piece alongside his column titled 'Women have proved their mettle as top CEOs, embrace them'; that among other accusations he's received in social media.
Much Know
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:23:14 AM
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Applause Absolutely classic articles, they will really cause debate, fantastic pieces!
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Meduza
#3 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:41:54 PM
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Every study done on women has been done by men. Do they really understand being a woman? Or who a woman really is? Maybe enough has not been said.
More women are enrolling in higher education than before, which will mean that they will also start taking up those same roles the men are taking especially in job market and business. I guess its time to embrace them from top to bottom.
You cant win, unless you first begin....
tycho
#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:18:13 PM
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First, Dr. Njenga hasn't exhausted his exploration of the abused woman's motives. In fact, he is insinuating that there'd be more guilt in telling the truth, or allowing others to access the truth.

The option he avoided was that the Woman was intending to start a global healing process.

He asks the woman whether she feels like the Christ, and implies that such feelings are morbid. That is, the Christ he quotes to buttress his arguments is Morbid.

The doctor is playing tricks.

By this, he is encouraging, and upholding a status quo that is morbid in itself.

So is Mr. Mutua perpetuating tricks. He is simply asserting a status quo.

Women, are reflections of men. Men, of God. Therefore are equal to Men and equally subject to the laws of the universe.

It is not about men versus women; but humanity and the laws of nature and God.
Jacy26
#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:59:52 PM
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That one by Dr. Njenga is just appalling. Jeez! Is that how he advises his patients?
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jguru
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:24:43 PM
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Jacy26 wrote:
That one by Dr. Njenga is just appalling. Jeez! Is that how he advises his patients?


Now, that's a proper psychiatrist!

From seeing so many disturbed minds.

Yes, that lady needs to evaluate her urges to speak out now, so many years after the abuse happened. The effects of 'the truth' will harm her (and many others) more that if she forgave and forgot.
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:38:59 PM
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jguru wrote:
Jacy26 wrote:
That one by Dr. Njenga is just appalling. Jeez! Is that how he advises his patients?


Now, that's a proper psychiatrist!

From seeing so many disturbed minds.

Yes, that lady needs to evaluate her urges to speak out now, so many years after the abuse happened. The effects of 'the truth' will harm her (and many others) more that if she forgave and forgot.


In Wazua you even find fellows better than Dr. Njenga in a field they have never tried!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
tycho
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:07:08 PM
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jguru wrote:
Jacy26 wrote:
That one by Dr. Njenga is just appalling. Jeez! Is that how he advises his patients?


Now, that's a proper psychiatrist!

From seeing so many disturbed minds.

Yes, that lady needs to evaluate her urges to speak out now, so many years after the abuse happened. The effects of 'the truth' will harm her (and many others) more that if she forgave and forgot.


Clearly, you are saying that fear can bring forgiveness, and forgetfulness. But the lady has always been in fear!

So there is no change being experienced. There can be no forgiveness.

When should she have spoken about this abuse? Did that time have less factors to consider? Was she old enough to handle the issue? Could she defend herself?

The doctor could be the perfect psychiatrist as perhaps Freud was, but even Freud is not the ultimate. It is said that he also realized the ubiquity of child abuse but bowed to social pressure.

So being the perfect psychiatrist doesn't mean that an opinion or approach is correct.

quicksand
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:14:19 PM
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I have seen what Peter Mutua has described first hand. All the women in the lower ranks resigned or were constantly looking for work elsewhere in a certain dept headed by a woman with senior women managers as well.
On earth, the reality is different from feminist theory and empowerment. In many cases, women are uncommonly mean and bitchy to fellow women.
jguru
#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:24:01 PM
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tycho wrote:
jguru wrote:
Jacy26 wrote:
That one by Dr. Njenga is just appalling. Jeez! Is that how he advises his patients?


Now, that's a proper psychiatrist!

From seeing so many disturbed minds.

Yes, that lady needs to evaluate her urges to speak out now, so many years after the abuse happened. The effects of 'the truth' will harm her (and many others) more that if she forgave and forgot.


Clearly, you are saying that fear can bring forgiveness, and forgetfulness. But the lady has always been in fear!

So there is no change being experienced. There can be no forgiveness.

When should she have spoken about this abuse? Did that time have less factors to consider? Was she old enough to handle the issue? Could she defend herself?

The doctor could be the perfect psychiatrist as perhaps Freud was, but even Freud is not the ultimate. It is said that he also realized the ubiquity of child abuse but bowed to social pressure.

So being the perfect psychiatrist doesn't mean that an opinion or approach is correct.


In the end, it is HER decision to make. To tell or not to tell. It's up to her. Any benefits or loses that accrue from her decision will be of her own volition.

Dr. Njenga's advice is sound and rational. She should speak to someone else before she can make that decision to speak out. Or for psychological healing.

This is a classic case of post-traumatic stress disorder. She is reliving the events of her traumatic experience many years later.
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
tycho
#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:26:46 PM
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quicksand wrote:
I have seen what Peter Mutua has described first hand. All the women in the lower ranks resigned or were constantly looking for work elsewhere in a certain dept headed by a woman with senior women managers as well.
On earth, the reality is different from feminist theory and empowerment. In many cases, women are uncommonly mean and bitchy to fellow women.


I agree. Most women are 'bitchy' to fellow women. But are men so kind to other men? Men are mostly involved in showmanship! The game is always a fight.

But the feminist idea isn't as widely spread as 'masculinity'. And what are the female boss's interests?

The feminist movement may have its follies, but isn't entirely unfounded.
tycho
#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:05:04 PM
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@jguru, how is Dr. Njenga's advice, sound and rational?

If indeed what you are saying about his advice is true, then you must show that;

1. There are no excluded options and considerations

2. The advice can be shown to have the capacity to heal all involved parties,

3. The advice is replicable and applicable to others in the same situation and finally,

4. The advice advances the levels of consciousness amongst people and enhances their institutions.

Alternatively, I should ask what criteria has this advice satisfied, in order to qualify as sound and rational?
muganda
#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:43:01 PM
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My view...

I have a personal difference with Dr Njenga. Nevertheless, he queried the motive behind the woman's new 'deep urge to tell the truth'. He discounts our normal perception of truth as the begin-all-and-end-all and brings in the dimension of pure motive. And for the sake of the woman, he indicates that her support structures (health, spirituality, family) would be shaken to the core by this sword of truth.

I find Peter Mutua normally incisive. He does not say women cannot lead. His article shows overcompensating for female inequality can create dysfunctional organizations. His solution is gender balance - who can argue with that! Honestly I naively thought the more of a good thing the better.


muganda
#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:51:41 PM
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Anyway, below some social media feedback:




quicksand
#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:34:03 PM
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Are these articles devoid of truth? I think not. There is some wisdom to be gleaned even if it is slight. I find the tweeters' summary judgement of the writing as 'Attacks against Kenyan women' to be too simplistic and therefore showing signs of intolerance.
It is a trait common with people with extremist leanings - a different opinion or a deviation from their ideology and it is an attack.
Women are not infallible; They wander into folly, just like men. But alas, a male writer makes this observation and a torrent of fury is unleashed. A dude can never say that women are capable of making bad leaders. What foolishness.
I wonder how they would have reacted if a woman had written the piece by that Peter dude.
ChumsQuest
#16 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:15:33 AM
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Meduza wrote:
Every study done on women has been done by men. Do they really understand being a woman? Or who a woman really is? Maybe enough has not been said.
More women are enrolling in higher education than before, which will mean that they will also start taking up those same roles the men are taking especially in job market and business. I guess its time to embrace them from top to bottom.

Applause Applause Applause Applause Men DO NOT and will never fully understand a woman #FACT
muganda
#17 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:17:51 AM
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I think it's fair to also say Men will always be a woman's hobby.

@ChumsQuest do you realise if I, as a man, attached a good natured link to a humorous video on women's breast Having a bad day? Need a laugh? Then here's something for you...

...it would likely be branded lewd, shallow, disrespectful to women, or why are men always obsessed about women's...? That my friend is the problem.


On a more balanced note, Chimamanda Adichie posits We should all be feminists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg3umXU_qWc

tycho
#18 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:15:42 PM
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If men don't understand women, then it cannot be that men understand themselves.

So how can feminism be a solution? Feminism is simply a declaration of war; civil war.

I prefer the way of identity. Man and woman are one, and life is about the consummation of identity.

And as such, there must be heaven and earth coming together and forming and completing the unity and identity of all humanity.

muganda
#19 Posted : Monday, July 15, 2013 9:40:55 PM
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Dr Frank Njenga offers a half-hearted apology. Did Business Daily or feminists pressure him? Was he wrong all along, or unwittingly tolerate the rape?

Link:
ALL acts of sexual abuse are, at all times criminal in nature, and must attract the full force of the law. There are no exceptions to the criminal nature of this act.

Wakanyugi
#20 Posted : Monday, July 15, 2013 10:49:51 PM
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Tycho; Some times you loose me. Can you please explain this symmetry?

tycho wrote:

Women, are reflections of men. Men, of God. Therefore are equal to Men and equally subject to the laws of the universe.


If Women reflect God only through men, how can women and men be equal?

And where did you get such a crappy theory?

Don't you know that God is a Woman?
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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