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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Meduza wrote:'The power in within you'
Even the apostles were divided, some said the belong to Peter others to Paul.... Constantine wanted a united country, he had to stop this division in this large religious group for his survival, he had to make rules..come up with rituals, creeds etc made a 'universal church'. so I believe these divisions have been there since time in memorial and will continue. But the gospel is always one, despite these divisions, Christ. @Meduza you talk of Constantine?? The same Constantine who was the principal agent of Satan himself!! The same Constantine that contributed to the division in the church we have today?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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guru267 wrote:Meduza wrote:'The power in within you'
Even the apostles were divided, some said the belong to Peter others to Paul.... Constantine wanted a united country, he had to stop this division in this large religious group for his survival, he had to make rules..come up with rituals, creeds etc made a 'universal church'. so I believe these divisions have been there since time in memorial and will continue. But the gospel is always one, despite these divisions, Christ. @Meduza you talk of Constantine?? The same Constantine who was the principal agent of Satan himself!! The same Constantine that contributed to the division in the church we have today?? how is constantine the agent of satan? How did he lead to divisions?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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guru267 wrote:Ante_Christa wrote:Islam is part of the confusion. After getting his visions Mohammed went and established his off-shoot. If he were genuine he would have integrated into the church.
T-bag let me put it in another way. There is one head and one body. Not one head and numerous bodies.
We know the one head. I just want to find the one body. You do know we are not talking of the body as in intestines, lungs etc but of the body of christ.
if its not important would you recommend islam then? Why would Mohammed integrate with an already corrupt, political, murderous church?? Why is this Islam that Mohammed started still united in belief to this day?? islam is united? Maybe they have fewer splits but I dont think they are completeely united coz they still killin each other in the Arab world coz of shia/sunni spplit
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:guru267 wrote:Ante_Christa wrote:Islam is part of the confusion. After getting his visions Mohammed went and established his off-shoot. If he were genuine he would have integrated into the church.
T-bag let me put it in another way. There is one head and one body. Not one head and numerous bodies.
We know the one head. I just want to find the one body. You do know we are not talking of the body as in intestines, lungs etc but of the body of christ.
if its not important would you recommend islam then? Why would Mohammed integrate with an already corrupt, political, murderous church?? Why is this Islam that Mohammed started still united in belief to this day?? islam is united? Maybe they have fewer splits but I dont think they are completeely united coz they still killin each other in the Arab world coz of shia/sunni spplit If you delve deeper into the issue you will realize the Shiite/Sunni divide is a CULTURAL divide and not a RELIGIOUS divide... Islam still remains united to this day.. Ask yourselves why!! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Mukiri, please do not put words in my mouth. Because I want to get considered to be provoked to good works, I do not want to forsake the assembling together, as the manner of some is. Is this bad? Maybe because others have forsaken THE assembly now they establish their own assemblies to compensate. Surely you can point an 'outsider' to THE assembly? Or is awareness of THIS assembly a secret esoteric knowledge? I thought you would tell me bible based organization. Then we proceed from there eliminating till we find it. As for Islam, it first appeared somewhere along the continuum. I am not interested in organizations that arrived into the scene after others. I want the original organization, and its remnant today if possible because I understand the effects of passage of time. Surely the remnant exists. I just want it, none else. Who can direct me to it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:Surely the remnant exists. I just want it, none else.
Who can direct me to it?
The original organization was the Catholic religion... But this as we all know was Satans tool to divide Gods chosen people! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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guru267 wrote:Ante_Christa wrote:Surely the remnant exists. I just want it, none else.
Who can direct me to it?
The original organization was the Catholic religion... But this as we all know was Satans tool to divide Gods chosen people! Alright! I now have something to work on. If Catholic is now the remnant organization if I trace it backwards it will be consistent with the apostles, Jesus, Nehemiah and so on? Is there any Catholic here in Wazua to guide me here? By the way, if division in Gods chosen people is a tactic of satan, then logically Gods chosen people must be among these divided peoples right? This rules out Islam as not among Gods chosen people.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:Meduza wrote:'The power in within you'
Even the apostles were divided, some said the belong to Peter others to Paul.... Constantine wanted a united country, he had to stop this division in this large religious group for his survival, he had to make rules..come up with rituals, creeds etc made a 'universal church'. so I believe these divisions have been there since time in memorial and will continue. But the gospel is always one, despite these divisions, Christ. @Meduza you talk of Constantine?? The same Constantine who was the principal agent of Satan himself!! The same Constantine that contributed to the division in the church we have today?? Ati kii...agent of satan...? Were it not for him, the so called Christianity might have just died a sudden death or would have become something else which might not have spread like it did. He helped assemble the bible, the creeds and so many things in the current church. Constantine practiced Roman Paganism for most of his life. In 313 he converted to Christianity and stopped the persecution of early Christians and allowed them to build churches and convert Pagan's to worship Christ, which enabled Christianity to completely destroyed Paganism and spread across the world. He gave financial assistant to Christians at that time, to build the churches. He did alot for the church. Whoever told you he was a satanist really lied to you, Being a pagan back then didnt mean you worship satan, just meant you were not a Jew or a believer of Christ teachings. You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:guru267 wrote:Ante_Christa wrote:Surely the remnant exists. I just want it, none else.
Who can direct me to it?
The original organization was the Catholic religion... But this as we all know was Satans tool to divide Gods chosen people! Alright! I now have something to work on. If Catholic is now the remnant organization if I trace it backwards it will be consistent with the apostles, Jesus, Nehemiah and so on? Is there any Catholic here in Wazua to guide me here? By the way, if division in Gods chosen people is a tactic of satan, then logically Gods chosen people must be among these divided peoples right? This rules out Islam as not among Gods chosen people. I had the same urgument with my Christian world view lecturer, but I learn that it depend which world view you are looking at it from. As long as its a Christian view, you are likely to rule out the other religions because it tends to only allow you view things in terms of Christianity. I always believe each religion is true as long as it will lead you to your faith and the final destination which is paradise. You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Meduza, this is quite interesting.
Imagine a horizontal line.
At the extreme left at the start of the line is Adam.
At the extreme right at the end of the line is us today.
Moving from us today and going back in time as it were, you can put marks or branches along this line showing the start of different religions and churches etc.
Then you have Islam branching out and as you move further back you have christian, then as you go even further you have jewry and so on.
The Christian branch has sub branches and sub sub branches etc. The christian branch is the branch with most twigs.
There is a continuum that I am trying to trace because not all the twigs of this branch are true.
All the other religions are fairly straight forward. There has got to be truth in the christian mish-mash.
It seems no one has given it thought and when I try I am laughed at about searching things of God.
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