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Confusion in God?
Ante_Christa
#1 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:32:05 PM
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Is there any evidence that God did or does anything in a haphazard manner?

No. On the contrary there is evidence and stories that God did (and still does) everything orderly and decently.

From the earliest times when God dealt with large groups there was organisation with internal systems and order. From Moses to David to Nehemiah to Jesus to the apostles.

For example James remained in Jerusalem to organise and oversee while others were sent to Rome Philipi etc.

Saul upon his conversion and direct communication with Jesus himself was sent to someone to be told what to do. He did not go off to start his independent:

a) Jerusalem Pentecostal Church,
b) Pauline Evangelistic Ministry,
c) Damascus Road Harvest Church,
d) The Word Bethel Church,
e) Damascus Holy Spirit Revelation Church,
f) Redeemed Damascus Gospel International Church etc

he was sent into the already existing organized church and from here he was sent out to Asia and Europe.

so in present times with countless organizations purporting to represent God is there an organization that God has identified as his own and thats he works through?

is there an organization that claims to be Gods organized church?0

there must be, there has to be.

I cannot for one minute believe that God works in a cacophony of organizations, for confusion no matter how organized is not his method.

Where can i find this organization? What is its name?
tycho
#2 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:37:54 PM
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Location: Nairobi
The organization is with and in the organizer.

Where can it be found? In the 'I am'.

The name? The Word? The Mystery.
guru267
#3 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:57:47 PM
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Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
Ante_Christa wrote:
Is there any evidence that God did or does anything in a haphazard manner?

No. On the contrary there is evidence and stories that God did (and still does) everything orderly and decently.

From the earliest times when God dealt with large groups there was organisation with internal systems and order. From Moses to David to Nehemiah to Jesus to the apostles.

For example James remained in Jerusalem to organise and oversee while others were sent to Rome Philipi etc.

Saul upon his conversion and direct communication with Jesus himself was sent to someone to be told what to do. He did not go off to start his independent:

a) Jerusalem Pentecostal Church,
b) Pauline Evangelistic Ministry,
c) Damascus Road Harvest Church,
d) The Word Bethel Church,
e) Damascus Holy Spirit Revelation Church,
f) Redeemed Damascus Gospel International Church etc

he was sent into the already existing organized church and from here he was sent out to Asia and Europe.

so in present times with countless organizations purporting to represent God is there an organization that God has identified as his own and thats he works through?

is there an organization that claims to be Gods organized church?0

there must be, there has to be.

I cannot for one minute believe that God works in a cacophony of organizations, for confusion no matter how organized is not his method.

Where can i find this organization? What is its name?


The true Islam!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
T-Bag
#4 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 3:20:31 PM
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Gods organized church is you!

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
New International Version (NIV)
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.


Monte Christo! Better fellowship @ "Pauline Evangelistic Ministry" and go to heaven than explore philosophical rhetoric and go to hell ultimately faith surpasses all understanding,


Recommended further reading for reasons for church mutations:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism
I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
Ante_Christa
#5 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 3:45:55 PM
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Islam is part of the confusion. After getting his visions Mohammed went and established his off-shoot. If he were genuine he would have integrated into the church.

T-bag let me put it in another way. There is one head and one body. Not one head and numerous bodies.

We know the one head. I just want to find the one body. You do know we are not talking of the body as in intestines, lungs etc but of the body of christ.

if its not important would you recommend islam then?
Mukiri
#6 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:44:10 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly He seeks to understand God Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Deuteronomy 29:29. Yours is to trust and obey. The rest is confusion you bring onto yourselfSad

Proverbs 19:21
guru267
#7 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:59:23 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Ante_Christa wrote:
Islam is part of the confusion. After getting his visions Mohammed went and established his off-shoot. If he were genuine he would have integrated into the church.

T-bag let me put it in another way. There is one head and one body. Not one head and numerous bodies.

We know the one head. I just want to find the one body. You do know we are not talking of the body as in intestines, lungs etc but of the body of christ.

if its not important would you recommend islam then?


Why would Mohammed integrate with an already corrupt, political, murderous church??

Why is this Islam that Mohammed started still united in belief to this day??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Gadaffi
#8 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 8:45:32 PM
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He who discovers God/Christ, finds himself.
AlphDoti
#9 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:09:55 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
guru267 wrote:
Ante_Christa wrote:
Islam is part of the confusion. After getting his visions Mohammed went and established his off-shoot. If he were genuine he would have integrated into the church.

T-bag let me put it in another way. There is one head and one body. Not one head and numerous bodies.

We know the one head. I just want to find the one body. You do know we are not talking of the body as in intestines, lungs etc but of the body of christ.

if its not important would you recommend islam then?

Why would Mohammed integrate with an already corrupt, political, murderous church??

Why is this Islam that Mohammed started still united in belief to this day??

@Ante_Christa since you're intelligent person, I call yo to research Islam. You will be surprised what amazing religion it is!!!
Just try, and you'll not believe!
Buy a Quran, read it. Just read it.

What is Islam
The word "Islam" is an Arabic word that means submitting and surrendering your will to Almighty God.
It is the acceptance of and obedience to teachings of God, which He revealed to His last Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

The Beginning
Islam came to reform human society.
It came to encourage the good from the other revealed books (Torah, Zabur and Injeel).
And to discourage and modify the bad that people were doing, contrary to what other prophets taught.

Why we need Islam
To emphasize all aspects of good manners such as honesty, telling the truth, charity, co-operation and modesty.
Islam brings security, which is a basic need of human beings.
When you submit to Allah, you feel secure.
Islam gives us a real piece of mind because it guides us in every day life.
In Islam, what is right is clear, what is wrong is clear and there is no compromises.
Islam does not include contradictions.
Islam protects family, by taking the family to be the best social unit that secures the physical and psychological needs of parents and children.
Prayer provides psychological health, food for our souls.
Prayer kills anxiety, excessive worrying, hypocrisy, reinforces belief, strengthens and waters faith.

The Purpose of Islam
Islam is a complete way of life that governs all facets of life, moral, spiritual, political, economical, intellectual etc.
The "religion" and "way of life" brings human being back to the natural state of humility, piety, peace and submission.
Islam calls people away from the worship of "creation" and calls them towards the worship of the "Creator" and the concept of monotheism uniting us all under one God.

The Results
You get self-satisfaction and your life changes for the better.
You gain inner peace and happiness that no other thing on earth can give you.
A ticket to Paradise is there for you and not to mention keeping you away from Hellfire.
Through wudu (Ablution) and prayer you are continuously clean and your health and physical being are pretty much always well.
With 5 daily prayers, you are constantly in touch with Allah and your soul is fed.

You are at peace with yourself.

You are wrong about Muhammad (pbuh)
You say he brought confusion, actually he restored back the religion preached by prophets before him.
Everything he taught was taught by Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Issac, Moses, ... Jesus (peace be upon them all)

See some of what he taught and tell what is not good...
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, 'The real richness is the richness of the soul'.
Hard work, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) urges the believer to work and not depend on others.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, 'If you go up the mountain to collect some wood, this is better than begging'
Meduza
#10 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:17:43 PM
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Location: Nairobi
'The power in within you'

Even the apostles were divided, some said the belong to Peter others to Paul.... Constantine wanted a united country, he had to stop this division in this large religious group for his survival, he had to make rules..come up with rituals, creeds etc made a 'universal church'. so I believe these divisions have been there since time in memorial and will continue. But the gospel is always one, despite these divisions, Christ.
You cant win, unless you first begin....
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