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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Muheani wrote:1 Cor 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
The understanding of what this "Love" is in "for God so loved the world that HE gave"
You say is beautifully
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:Poleni.. did not post on Saturday as promised.
There are lots of posts up here im itching to respond to but will not for now.
The Gospel?
Simply.
After Adams disobedience at the garden of eden Adam and all of the human race (in him) died. Died? yes Died. SIN is a spiritual posture of disobedience or rebellion toward God. Sin gives birth to Death. The wages of SIN is death. What death? Spiritual death.. Separation from the fellowship of God. See Adams behavior after his disobedience and ultimately being banished from the garden. Followed (for the unrepentant) by the 2nd death.. all eternity in hell.
What next?
God reintroduces himself to humanity via Moses and the Law. Introduces the priesthood in the order of Aaron and the tribe of Levi.
Fast forward... consider the following words in the book of hebrews.
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”[a] 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: ‘You are a priest forever.’” 22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[c] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens.
27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.
The new covenant = the good news = the Gospel
That divine perfection, taking the form of human flesh though the virgin birth (The word became flesh and dwelt among us) would become SIN that we..who believe might become the righteousness of God.
The Gospel. That he who is blameless would take the penalty for our sin. His sinless life credited to us. Our sin, credited to him.
2nd Corinthians 5: 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[b] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
The truth is in the action.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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Mtu Biz wrote: The 'gospel' is now an industry!
That was the reference given by pastors et al during the Groove Awards on Sunday.
Allow me to clarify one thing... ok i'll let the bible speak for itself..
1st Timothy 6:
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
BUT for the christian ??
11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
Pls answer me... I like your dissection. What a motivating feeling to know that we are serving one Master, Jesus Christ is His Name. Can someone tell me who has ever received Jesus in these concerts?? Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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essyk wrote:urstill wrote: Hata zile za gay rights?
This is what I 'think'. The world knows and recognises it's own. Laws made by man whom God created are meant to bring order on earth not heaven. They have no eternal bearing. But God has also made a provision by giving us the right to choose btwn what is right and wrong because choices have eternal consequences. He is not ignorant of some silly laws made by us, but He respects the fact that the devil still roams the earth until his time is up. He respects the Governing Institutions but not the 'funny laws'made by them. So sio eti God approves gay rights but He leaves us to choose because we appoint the people making those laws. God has His own Democrat Goverment you know and he wouldn't force us into it unlike the man made one. By the way,the devil can actually lead one to God. Pls elaborate how this can happen. Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2012 Posts: 180
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essyk wrote:urstill wrote: Hata zile za gay rights?
This is what I 'think'. The world knows and recognises it's own. Laws made by man whom God created are meant to bring order on earth not heaven. They have no eternal bearing. But God has also made a provision by giving us the right to choose btwn what is right and wrong because choices have eternal consequences. He is not ignorant of some silly laws made by us, but He respects the fact that the devil still roams the earth until his time is up. He respects the Governing Institutions but not the 'funny laws'made by them. So sio eti God approves gay rights but He leaves us to choose because we appoint the people making those laws. God has His own Democratic Goverment you know and he wouldn't force us into it unlike the man made one. By the way,the devil can actually lead one to God. Pls expound how democratic God's government is. And @ Mtu Biz, what do u thionk of God's government?. Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Let me start from the top... Muheani wrote:@mtubiz
I Think At The End Of The Exposition, The Gospel Is All About John 3:16. The Verse We Were All Supposed To Memorise But Didnt!!! @Muheani Quoting or memorizing John3:16 in isolation gives an inaccurate..wrong picture of what God is saying here.. consider this.. The context of that chapter is Jesus teaching Nicodemus the meaning of new birth. The verses immediately following John 3:16 read thus.. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. The Gospel is not just about a loving God. It is also about Sinful man. When John 3:16 is looked at over and over (memorized) in isolation it creates the impression of an all loving God who will indiscriminately embrace everyone.. the believing and non believing (believing here refers to believing the message of the Gospel) This is definitely not the case from the verses following john3:16.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Mukiri wrote:Following.
I know that God works in mysterious ways Ecclesiastes 1:5, Jeremiah 33:3, Mark 4:11-12, 1 Corinthians 2:7, Ephesians 3:9, 1 Timothy 3:16, Colossians 2:2-3 @Mukiri, when i looked up the scriptures up here, most of them (with exception of Jeremiah and Ecclesiastes) speak about the fact that the Gospel had been kept hidden, was a mystery and so on.. when you quote such please also mention the second part of the story.. that it has been revealed in these last days! 2 Timothy 1 9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, 10 but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. Colosians 1 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. The scriptures you quoted above do not explain "The lord works in mysterious ways" at all... what did you mean by that? Mukiri wrote: To judge others or claim to know everything is dangerous, for it is as Jesus Christ says, the Holy Spirit comes upon you and reveals knowledge. John 14:17
John 14:17 primarily says that the Holy spirit works in the believer and is known and received by the believer and a non believer cannot know nor receive him... 15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. How does that relate to this "To judge others or claim to know everything is dangerous".. who were you referring to here? Mukiri wrote: Therefore as you embark on this journey, I pray that you'll not rely on your own understanding Proverbs 3:5 but seek direction from the Holy Spirit. For James 3:1 says that not everyone should presume to be teacher, for they shall receive a stricter judgment; and teachers are targeted more by satan in spiritual warfare.
Please read 1 Timothy 3, 2 Timothy 2:24-25, Titus 1:7-16
At the beginning of this thread, i quoted my source of authority on this subject. Kindly explain how i would "Seek direction from the Holy Spirit" independently from scripture. @Mukiri Kindly seek to understand the context of the scriptures you quote.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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Mtu Biz wrote:Let me start from the top... Muheani wrote:@mtubiz
I Think At The End Of The Exposition, The Gospel Is All About John 3:16. The Verse We Were All Supposed To Memorise But Didnt!!! @Muheani Quoting or memorizing John3:16 in isolation gives an inaccurate..wrong picture of what God is saying here.. consider this.. The context of that chapter is Jesus teaching Nicodemus the meaning of new birth. The verses immediately following John 3:16 read thus.. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. The Gospel is not just about a loving God. It is also about Sinful man. When John 3:16 is looked at over and over (memorized) in isolation it creates the impression of an all loving God who will indiscriminately embrace everyone.. the believing and non believing (believing here refers to believing the message of the Gospel) This is definitely not the case from the verses following john3:16. Mtu Biz you lost me there a little. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [i] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life[/i]. The verse doesnt insinuate an all loving God Indiscriminately embrasing all and sundly. But a loving God Who will embrace those that shall believe (Gospel) in him and he then promises them (believers only) Eternal life. I wud consider 3:16 a central verse. The verses before and after do talk about "flesh gives birth to flesh, spirit gives birth to spirirt" and Hence You must be born again (believe in the heavenly things). You have rightly refered to the verses after. Wudnt therefore 3:16 be central. The issue is believing in the gospel; for Eternal life to be bestowed. as clearly shown in the preceeding V15. The converse would then be true that failure to be believe leads to condemnation. Hence HE is a GOD who shall embrace those that Believe and Condemn those that shall not.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@Mtu Biz let me ask you, who wrote the gospel? This is the realitySome parts of the Bible is the word of God. But the whole Bible is not the word of God. - the Injeel was the revelation which was given to Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) - but that message was meant for that time and for those people - the Injeel was not preserved! So if you investigateYou will find who is the author of the current Gospel. The scholars of the Bible say various authors of each book. The Bible is derived from the Greek word Biblos. This means collection of books.The present Bible according to scholars, is a mixture, it has:- in some places the Word of God, which is the reminiscence ( remainder) of the Injeel. - it also contains the words of the prophets - it also contain the words of the historians - unfortunately, it even contains pornographic The Bible is a mixture. So who is the author?Mainly human beings also wrote it (according to Christian scholars). Namely: - John - Matthew This gospel according to John This gospel according to Matthew This gospel according to Luke What we should be seeing is Gospel according to Jesus (peace be upon him)What we should be seeing is the Injeel which was given to Jesus (peace be upon him) But what the Bible contain is: - Gospel according to Matthew, - gospel according to Mark, - gospel according to Luke, - gospel according to John But what we should believe in is Gospel according to Jesus (peace be upon him)So even Christian Scholars say, the Gospel you see in the Bible has been written by human beings. So we cannot attribute the complete Bible as the Word of God
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