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THE GOSPEL - Setting the record straight.
Mukiri
#31 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:41:19 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
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essyk wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

There is nothing, NOTHING beyond the God I serve. How long was Israel in captivity? How long was Joseph a prisoner? Daniel with the lions?

It is in strife that we should praise the Lord, our God more. You call me an 'extremist'? I know one thing the devil lies is compromise/almost. For me its either right or wrong, no inbetween. My Bible is my guide.

That you love God so much, might be enough. Do you love Him enough to obey His word? I shall desist further from 'persuading' you again. Praise be to God.


By extremists I mean people who don't balance life.
It's gospel 24/7,Church Monday to Sunday.
They view everyone else not ascribing to their faith as aliens and refuse to interact,consult and do biz with them.
They take their kids to schools where they fellowship only,bank with church owned saccos only,buy goods and services from fellow members only.They have this tight community which suffocates.
They actually become cultic in their quest for God.
Are you like that?


I try not to judge... Something I find so common in Wazua. The Bible says meditate on the word of God, that one should pray all the time. Possible? I don't know.

But judge not, lest by the same measure you shall be judged. If one feels that its by gospel 24/7 that they shall keep the faith, who are you to tell them otherwise? If they feel they shall go to church everyday, whom are you to ask them to stop? Doesn't your muslim go to the mosque everyday? Is he cultic?

Everybody is different. If you felt suffocated, get down on your knees and talk to the Holy Spirit. He'll give you an answer. It might not be my answer, it might not conform to anything anyone knows. It will be good for you. Don't judge anyone, certainly don't judge me! I shall only think you a foolSad

Remember Jesus came that we may have life and have it abundantly. Suffocation I doubt is from Him.

Proverbs 19:21
essyk
#32 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:50:12 PM
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I am too tired..gone back to sleep.
'my woriah'doesn't even exist fyi so 4get such.
goodnite/day.
*yaaawns and covers self*smile




"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
Mukiri
#33 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 1:01:36 PM
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smile Feel free to dialogue, any other time.

Proverbs 19:21
urstill
#34 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:23:14 PM
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essyk wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Ngong wrote:
Rollout wrote:
@Mtu Biz,

You did not answer my question about ICC, the question is relevant because the church is suppose to provide honest assessments during hard times. Where do you stand on that?


I don't think he represents any church going with what he has stated above.


So what is his/her opinion about it?


Here is mine,
Give Ceaser what belongs to Ceaser and God what is God's.
God respects institutions set by men to govern our land cz he is a God of order.

He expects us to abide by the law of the land while at the same time recognising that HE is the ultimate judge.
Break the law of the land and face judgement approved by God.-no mercies here.
Break God's law and redemption is provided.





Hata zile za gay rights?
Man must live!
essyk
#35 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:43:13 PM
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urstill wrote:

Hata zile za gay rights?


This is what I 'think'.

The world knows and recognises it's own.
Laws made by man whom God created are meant to bring order on earth not heaven.
They have no eternal bearing.
But God has also made a provision by giving us the right to choose btwn what is right and wrong because choices have eternal consequences.
He is not ignorant of some silly laws made by us, but He respects the fact that the devil still roams the earth until his time is up.
He respects the Governing Institutions but not the 'funny laws'made by them.
So sio eti God approves gay rights but He leaves us to choose because we appoint the people making those laws.
God has His own Democratic Goverment you know and he wouldn't force us into it unlike the man made one.

By the way,the devil can actually lead one to God.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
urstill
#36 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 6:07:54 PM
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essyk wrote:
urstill wrote:

Hata zile za gay rights?


This is what I 'think'.

The world knows and recognises it's own.
Laws made by man whom God created are meant to bring order on earth not heaven.
They have no eternal bearing.
But God has also made a provision by giving us the right to choose btwn what is right and wrong because choices have eternal consequences.
He is not ignorant of some silly laws made by us, but He respects the fact that the devil still roams the earth until his time is up.
He respects the Governing Institutions but not the 'funny laws'made by them.
So sio eti God approves gay rights but He leaves us to choose because we appoint the people making those laws.
God has His own Democratic Goverment you know and he wouldn't force us into it unlike the man made one.

By the way,the devil can actually lead one to God.


Noted. Thank you
Man must live!
Lolest!
#37 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2013 7:07:35 PM
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Mukiri wrote:

There is great power in John 8:32 You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

I feel the truth here should be replaced with The Truth.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Mtu Biz
#38 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 10:33:41 AM
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Poleni.. did not post on Saturday as promised.

There are lots of posts up here im itching to respond to but will not for now.

The Gospel?

Simply.

After Adams disobedience at the garden of eden Adam and all of the human race (in him) died.
Died? yes Died.
SIN is a spiritual posture of disobedience or rebellion toward God.
Sin gives birth to Death. The wages of SIN is death.
What death? Spiritual death.. Separation from the fellowship of God. See Adams behavior after his disobedience and ultimately being banished from the garden.
Followed (for the unrepentant) by the 2nd death.. all eternity in hell.

What next?

God reintroduces himself to humanity via Moses and the Law.
Introduces the priesthood in the order of Aaron and the tribe of Levi.

Fast forward... consider the following words in the book of hebrews.

11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,
21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:

“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office;
24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.
25 Therefore he is able to save completely[c] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens.

27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

The new covenant = the good news = the Gospel

That divine perfection, taking the form of human flesh though the virgin birth (The word became flesh and dwelt among us) would become SIN that we..who believe might become the righteousness of God.

The Gospel.
That he who is blameless would take the penalty for our sin.
His sinless life credited to us. Our sin, credited to him.

2nd Corinthians 5:
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[b] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Sola Scriptura


Mtu Biz
#39 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 11:05:14 AM
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The 'gospel' is now an industry!

That was the reference given by pastors et al during the Groove Awards on Sunday.

Allow me to clarify one thing... ok i'll let the bible speak for itself..

1st Timothy 6:

3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it.
8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that.
9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

BUT for the christian ??

11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.
12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you
14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.


Sola Scriptura


Muheani
#40 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2013 11:20:50 AM
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1 Cor 13:13
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

The understanding of what this "Love" is; is in "for God so loved the world that HE gave"

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