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Is NOCK buying Kenol Kobil?
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:06:41 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Either way and it's well know KK was on the chopping board for 41 bob and PUMA were only offering 29 bob. Surely nobody would be selling KK for 17.35 would there be?

I suspect Star have oil Libya in mind. Highly unlikely KK is being sold this year at least not for 25B. I think KK will want to refocus the business and correct the errors pointed out by PUMA before selling. NOCK have no clue what they do. Kenol is highly rated in the region for having the best understanding of the subsaharan downstream market. Certainly NOCK other than being a national oil company have everything to gain and would have to pay a premium to KK.
I would take 29 in a heartbeat! I think 41 is a stretch. At that 'offer' why wouldn't the biwotts buy out the other shareholders through a 'takeover' & then sell to Puma in private?
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guru267
#22 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21:21 PM
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Why would I pay more than 25billion for a company with a net worth of 7billion in a price controlled & low margin oil market?? Sad

Nock would be seriously overpaying....

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#23 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:55:38 PM
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:03:17 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Why would I pay more than 25billion for a company with a net worth of 7billion in a price controlled & low margin oil market?? Sad

Nock would be seriously overpaying....



well said!
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:09:44 PM
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:O
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:12:39 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
:O


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#27 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:49:34 PM
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Here is the link for the star newspaper article

http://www.the-star.co.k...5-billion-rival-oil-firm
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#28 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:01:03 AM
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[quote=MoneyMonger]Here is the link for the star newspaper article

http://www.the-star.co.k...-billion-rival-oil-firm[/quote]
And KK sold the highest number of shares today.
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#29 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:29:55 AM
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It would seem the energy sector is where the rubber will meet the road for the jubilee govt. NOCK is being reshaped, Nyoike and his bureaucrats at MoE are leaving the scene, Kengen getting a new MD, Chirchir formally approved, oil production in 5 years. This is the sector in the next ten years where new tenderpreneurs will be created. You will either make your capital or lose your capital.
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VituVingiSana
#30 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:01:12 AM
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[quote=mkonomtupu]It would seem the energy sector is where the rubber will meet the road for the jubilee govt. NOCK is being reshaped, Nyoike and his bureaucrats at MoE are leaving the scene, Kengen getting a new MD, Chirchir formally approved, oil production in 5 years. This is the sector in the next ten years where new tenderpreneurs will be created. You will either make your capital or lose your capital.
if you are gonna play the game son you gotta learn to play it right

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/4vpuofz/-/index.html[/quote] Sad to see Tenderpreneurs not Entrepreneurs will be made. I have started missing the 'hands-off' regime of Kibaki except for a few miscues including price controls used at NCPB, KPLC & fuel prices. And these happened when UK & WR were in charge of the relevant ministries.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#31 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:08:59 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
It would seem the energy sector is where the rubber will meet the road for the jubilee govt. NOCK is being reshaped, Nyoike and his bureaucrats at MoE are leaving the scene, Kengen getting a new MD, Chirchir formally approved, oil production in 5 years. This is the sector in the next ten years where new tenderpreneurs will be created. You will either make your capital or lose your capital.
if you are gonna play the game son you gotta learn to play it right

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/4vpuofz/-/index.html
Sad to see Tenderpreneurs not Entrepreneurs will be made. I have started missing the 'hands-off' regime of Kibaki except for a few miscues including price controls used at NCPB, KPLC & fuel prices. And these happened when UK & WR were in charge of the relevant ministries.

All those 'gifts'! Jameni...
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:53:42 PM
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mawinder wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Nock is gava,and can negotiate the pending cases well,if true you cant rule out surbotage by gvt in pumas deal.

I thought the govt embarked on privatisation and this goes against the spirit?I suspect it is the usual gutter.


Privatisation hasn't worked very well in the capital intensive energy sector... look at KenGen [now we have GDC] and KPLC [KETRACO].

if true, this is a commendable strategic move by GoK... and I have a few shares in KK so bias must be noted!
Jamani
#33 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:17:13 PM
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mawinder wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Nock is gava,and can negotiate the pending cases well,if true you cant rule out surbotage by gvt in pumas deal.

I thought the govt embarked on privatisation and this goes against the spirit?I suspect it is the usual gutter.

It might not be the usual gutter... Note that the writer comes from the house
Jamani
#34 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:23:31 PM
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There is a memo.... Quote

Managing director Sumayya Athumani was unavailable for comment yesterday.

The memo argues that the purchase "will ensure that the Corporation has sufficient footprint to influence supply and prices."

"The petroleum supply crisis experienced on different occasions is testament to how the big oil marketers who have the biggest share of retail distributions assets can disrupt petroleum supply and cripple the country," states the memo.

In the memo, NOCK's finance manager Kamau Mugenda defends single sourcing Standard and Mutual, a local financial advisory firm based in Nairobi.

"Only a limited number of advisory companies can handle this size of transaction," states Kamau. KPMG was ruled out because it is NOCK's present external auditor and was "the transaction advisers for one of the companies that shown interest in acquiring the business of the said oil company".

"PWC has been a long term auditor of the said oil marketing company while Deloitte was adversely mentioned during the infamous Triton saga. Ernst and Young has not had a strong record of handling large transaction advisory assignments in Kenya," states the memo.

CFC Stanbic and CBA were dismissed because "being primarily banks... they may want to skew the transaction in favour of finance coming from them."

"It is National Oil's considered opinion that Standard and Mutual would be a more objective transaction adviser for this project," the memo concludes.

"The services are required urgently as National Oil has received a narrow engagement window with the vendors to discuss and conclude this transaction," the Finance Manager states.
End quote.
theking
#35 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:25:35 PM
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KK's supply has been swept away at highest possible price,zero supply now,demand at 9.80/=

the trade ----> 13:19 10.05 100,000 NORMAL
VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:26:41 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
mawinder wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Nock is gava,and can negotiate the pending cases well,if true you cant rule out surbotage by gvt in pumas deal.

I thought the govt embarked on privatisation and this goes against the spirit?I suspect it is the usual gutter.


Privatisation hasn't worked very well in the capital intensive energy sector... look at KenGen [now we have GDC] and KPLC [KETRACO].

if true, this is a commendable strategic move by GoK... and I have a few shares in KK so bias must be noted!
How do you reckon that KenGen & KPLC are private?
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VituVingiSana
#37 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:43:14 PM
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theking wrote:
KK's supply has been swept away at highest possible price,zero supply now,demand at 9.80/=

the trade ----> 13:19 10.05 100,000 NORMAL
Where's @thedeal who bought into the deal at 9 yesterday!
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#38 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:02:18 PM
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Looks like its Kk recoded. I need to add just a few more
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timuka
#39 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:34:25 PM
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and now Satchu refers to KK as Kenya Oil Company on his website smile smile
murchr
#40 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:36:14 PM
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timuka wrote:
and now Satchu refers to KK as Kenya Oil Company on his website smile smile


Kenol = KENya Oil Ltd
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