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VituVingiSana
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 08, 2013 6:55:23 PM
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http://www.businessdaily.../-/12a0prc/-/index.html

Not flattering...
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guru267
#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:42:40 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya-Re-hires-KPMG-to-strengthen-risk-management/-/539552/1845344/-/12a0prc/-/index.html

Not flattering...


I guess its following this directive by the regulator..

www.nation.co.ke/Feature...8/-/gpu11tz/-/index.html
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mwekez@ji
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:34:14 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya-Re-hires-KPMG-to-strengthen-risk-management/-/539552/1845344/-/12a0prc/-/index.html

Not flattering...


Good thing for Kenya Re #Strengthening_Risk_Management
VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:38:42 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya-Re-hires-KPMG-to-strengthen-risk-management/-/539552/1845344/-/12a0prc/-/index.html

Not flattering...


Good thing for Kenya Re #Strengthening_Risk_Management

What concerns me is whether the auditors/consultants will find 'losses' that have occurred due to past weaknesses. When George Gareth came to KCB, he found large non-performing loans on the books. Huge under-performing loans. KCB was technically bankrupt. Ergo, these (potential) losses, if any, will have to be provided for...
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Ericsson
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:15:35 AM
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This is a good move by Kenya Re in strengthening its risk management and appeal to irs customers which in turn boosts its returns and profits.
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accelriskconsult
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:31:13 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
This is a good move by Kenya Re in strengthening its risk management and appeal to irs customers which in turn boosts its returns and profits.



It is the wrong move. They should instead strengthen their risk department by having risk represented at the senior most level and improving the skills of the staff.

I am from a big 4 background and have worked in insurance, in audit and risk and I can tell you that KPMG staff will not have the skills required to evaluate Kenya Re's risk department. They are better off hiring consultants who may have passed through audit but moved in to business and acquired the skills on how a business runs, the industry it operates in, systems and processes.

Risks such as reputation loss, fraud, balance sheet management (need actuarial skills for this), Asset Liability mismatches, systems failure, business continuity...big 4 firms may say otherwise but they cant afford the calibre of individuals with the necessary experience.
They hire sharp graduates but cant afford to keep them and majority leave after only 3 years. Kenya Re will most likely get a team composed of a senior consultant - (3 or 4 years), a new recruit and a manager who has may be 8 or so years. Note that the actual work is performed by the new recruit under the supervsion of the Senior consultant ( charge out rates per hour of between Sh 4,500 and Sh 10,000). A partner costs in excess of Sh 30,000 per hour these days so he will spent minimum time on your project.

It is the wrong move; they wont get value for money.
Ericsson
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:40:52 AM
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@ accelriskconsult;its called Public Relations management.The company want to appease to the outside world.
Even KCB hired Mckinsley to do for them the staffing requirement yet this was a task that could have been done in-house but to gain reputation to the outside world they hired them.
KPMG will just undertake a study and research and then submit to Kenya Re the findings.
Actual implementation will be done by Kenya Re themselves.
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accelriskconsult
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:21:53 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@ accelriskconsult;its called Public Relations management.The company want to appease to the outside world.
Even KCB hired Mckinsley to do for them the staffing requirement yet this was a task that could have been done in-house but to gain reputation to the outside world they hired them.
KPMG will just undertake a study and research and then submit to Kenya Re the findings.
Actual implementation will be done by Kenya Re themselves.



Mckinsey are actually turn around experts. The company is staffed by brains from the best business schools around the world, people who have worked for many years.

KQ hired them before and achieved remarkable improvement. It was the same with KCB. Your argument is valid that KCB new that they were overstaffed, but it is in redefining the skills that KCB needed vis a vis what it had that Mckinsey was instrumental in. KCB had factions aligned according to tribe and the staff was highly politicised. That is why Gareth George, a white man not expected to take sides was hired. To break up the camps. He did. He was also hired to provide stability at a time when the bank couled easily have gone down under non performing loans. The hiring of MOO as is deputy was strategic as he was asked to drive growth....hence the deal in South Sudan under a tree to open branches there. Mckinsey were value for money. They were hired to do what they do best.

KPMG are experts at offering assurance of limited nature; that financial statements are true and fair, not materially misstated. That opinion does not mean that accounts are not misstated, only that the misstatement is not material...it would not change the opinion of a user of the financial statements about the company's financial affairs.

KPMG are not risk experts.
Ericsson
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:39:10 PM
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@accelriskconsult;Give KPMG a chance I believe the person who chose them did a survey.
The big 4 auditing firms have staff who can undertake the task same as we have staff from PWC who do audit of a road.
So give KPMG a chance since auditing is not only limited to financial statements
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morre
#10 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:58:20 PM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
This is a good move by Kenya Re in strengthening its risk management and appeal to irs customers which in turn boosts its returns and profits.



It is the wrong move. They should instead strengthen their risk department by having risk represented at the senior most level and improving the skills of the staff.

I am from a big 4 background and have worked in insurance, in audit and risk and I can tell you that KPMG staff will not have the skills required to evaluate Kenya Re's risk department. They are better off hiring consultants who may have passed through audit but moved in to business and acquired the skills on how a business runs, the industry it operates in, systems and processes.

Risks such as reputation loss, fraud, balance sheet management (need actuarial skills for this), Asset Liability mismatches, systems failure, business continuity...big 4 firms may say otherwise but they cant afford the calibre of individuals with the necessary experience.
They hire sharp graduates but cant afford to keep them and majority leave after only 3 years. Kenya Re will most likely get a team composed of a senior consultant - (3 or 4 years), a new recruit and a manager who has may be 8 or so years. Note that the actual work is performed by the new recruit under the supervsion of the Senior consultant ( charge out rates per hour of between Sh 4,500 and Sh 10,000). A partner costs in excess of Sh 30,000 per hour these days so he will spent minimum time on your project.

It is the wrong move; they wont get value for money.


KPMG has so many departments ...this task will fall into the Risk consulting docket... i can tell you that there are very qualified and experienced staff there and that Kenya re will get value for their money... looks like your background is in audit(assurance) and that you quit after the 3 years you are talking about but as much as staff turnover is high, teams are balanced in terms of experience and knowledge and value is often delivered...
If you dont want to use plan B, have a good plan A.
accelriskconsult
#11 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 4:43:50 PM
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morre wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
This is a good move by Kenya Re in strengthening its risk management and appeal to irs customers which in turn boosts its returns and profits.



It is the wrong move. They should instead strengthen their risk department by having risk represented at the senior most level and improving the skills of the staff.

I am from a big 4 background and have worked in insurance, in audit and risk and I can tell you that KPMG staff will not have the skills required to evaluate Kenya Re's risk department. They are better off hiring consultants who may have passed through audit but moved in to business and acquired the skills on how a business runs, the industry it operates in, systems and processes.

Risks such as reputation loss, fraud, balance sheet management (need actuarial skills for this), Asset Liability mismatches, systems failure, business continuity...big 4 firms may say otherwise but they cant afford the calibre of individuals with the necessary experience.
They hire sharp graduates but cant afford to keep them and majority leave after only 3 years. Kenya Re will most likely get a team composed of a senior consultant - (3 or 4 years), a new recruit and a manager who has may be 8 or so years. Note that the actual work is performed by the new recruit under the supervsion of the Senior consultant ( charge out rates per hour of between Sh 4,500 and Sh 10,000). A partner costs in excess of Sh 30,000 per hour these days so he will spent minimum time on your project.

It is the wrong move; they wont get value for money.


KPMG has so many departments ...this task will fall into the Risk consulting docket... i can tell you that there are very qualified and experienced staff there and that Kenya re will get value for their money... looks like your background is in audit(assurance) and that you quit after the 3 years you are talking about but as much as staff turnover is high, teams are balanced in terms of experience and knowledge and value is often delivered...



Actually no.

This is my 12th year working. I worked 6 years in the big 4 both in Kenya and the western world. I have also worked in the insurance and wealth industry for the last 6 years. I know that KPMG has many departments and as matter of fact I have severally poached staff from there. Additionally, the group I work for has in the past contracted various types of project to KPMG, Deloitte, EY and even PwC (before I joined)


Sample this;

ERP project worth Sh 150m- evaluation of vendors outsourced to xxxx (one of the big 4). Selection bungled and project abandoned after 3 years and Sh 75m written off. Reason - big 4 firm recommended the wrong vendor.

Tax work outsourced to one of the big 4 for 3 years with minimal involvement of management - result - Sh 69 m in penalties assessed by KRA. Firm had neglected advising company on allowable expenses.

ERP project worth Sh 60 million in Uganda - Vendor selection handled by yyyy big 4 firm - Project implementation only at 40% after 6 years. The company has given up on full implementation. So far fixes have cost the company in excess of Sh 180 m.

In all the cases cited above, there is evidence that the firm never really understood the company's business. Consultants in many cases will not admit that they understand nothing about your business.

Who do you think did risk assessments for the likes of KCB, Stanchart, IFC etc when they lend to Panpaper Mills?




kamundu
#12 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 9:25:24 AM
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Why not develop talent within? Build capacity etc etc. May be better long term for a quoted company.
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