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KQ 2008-9 Results
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 8:00:00 AM
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The auditors DID highlight the treatment of IAS 39. See other discussions on Fuel Hedge Reserves (or lack thereof... LOL)

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VituVingiSana
#22 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 8:11:00 AM
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I am waiting for the pdf. EABL does the best information dissemination.

* Yep,KQ was screwed. Poor financial advice from their financial advisors.
** They still have 210,000 mt spread over 1.5 years (31 Dec 2010) @ $110
*** Current price of oil is $68 ($50 or so on 31 March 2009)... implying an approx $28mn gain. Whatever good that does...
**** Monitoring by KQ must be done regularly. Bad advice did the rest... If I were CFO,I would have loaded up at $35-40 for current year use as well as a hedge against the hedge.
***** I did suggest that to a senior KQ manager that $37 was unsustainable considering the noises OPEC was making.
****** Rolling hedges are what they do but not for 100%. KQ's financial advisers dropped the ball.

####As regards Naikuni,expect a lot of opposition during the AGM. I miss the former CFO (an experienced hand in the airline business... Neil Canty)

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
stonemimi
#23 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 8:14:00 AM
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4 billion loss and 20% dividend payout does not make sense to me. Back to class now !!!!!!!!!! uuuuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiiiiii ai fafa

can somebody make me understand???????????


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VituVingiSana
#24 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 8:27:00 AM
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The devil is in the details... read the thread from the beginning. And the dividend payout is not 20% (using the 'nominal' value means nothing)

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Mali
#25 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 8:42:00 AM
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Good day.... so they made 400M? and expect to announce 400% increase in profits next year????LOL....

1. New Management needed.. C Level

2. Truth need be told about this hedging business

3. Is there any political party involved? I understand their main job is to rob as much as they can?

4. What happens if the new constitution is adopted next year? ain't we supposed to go for fresh elections?

if the incompetent and the reckless compete,the result is a disaster.. MN
harrier
#26 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 9:01:00 AM
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guys we are screwed

according to my understanding about IAS 39 ( treatment of unrealised gains & losses)
it contradicts with hedge in that hedge is a contract to be excuted in future by the parties undersigned. so by this KQ has lost it for this year & next year they need not to beat around the bush by faking it it has happened & the have to abide by the contract.

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kizee
#27 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 9:18:00 AM
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harrier...a hedge is an open position that must be revalued...again revaluation should ideally be done on a daily basis....once again i must sing this song...WHY DIDNT KQ EXIT THIS POSITION WHEN THEY REALISED THEY WERE LOOSING???....OUTRAGEOUS!...
Mali
#28 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 9:19:00 AM
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What are the actual figures? Capital says 4.1B and Nation puts it at 5.6B?

But again this is KENYA! Proudly!

if the incompetent and the reckless compete,the result is a disaster.. MN
kizee
#29 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 9:28:00 AM
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the figure is 5.66 billion
McReggae
#30 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 9:32:00 AM
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kizee....5.66B what????

I got information it was a loss but didn't expect such a huge figure....please confirm!!!!!


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