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Alpha doti wacha kutuenjoy, ati its better to stone than burn? How now? Both are extremely inhumane.
Ati just because its written in the Quran or Bible, it somehow makes it ok to take another human's life? That same bible says he who is without sin should cast the first stone. This is one of the reasons I would never convert to Islam, ati strangers have control over your life, how now? If she wanted to run away with another man, that's her choice, she should do as she pleases. I know you will pull a line that God says punish her bla bla bla, well let God punish her Himself when she gets to heaven or hell. This is just retrogressive, there's no way I'd let another human being have control over my life!
And that map of yours, ati Somalia has a crime rate of 0.1 to 0.5%, among the lowest in Africa, how now?
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2012 Posts: 320
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muganda wrote:Perhaps I need to rephrase... @tycho @Alphdoti today is Sun 05-May-2013.
Please confirm if YOU, would be willing to subjugate yourself to any law or religious dictum that handles infidelity (only for the woman mind you) in this way...
- shoot your daughter 3 times at the back of the head
- obligate sons to stone their mother to death to prove their manhood
"We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another." - Jonathan Swift
"God has no religion. Hate the sin, love the sinner." - Mahatma Gandhi
Sir, I humbly request you to get off your high horse. you are painting this thing in its worst light possible. Christian clergy menhave been arrested, tried and convicted of genocide that happened in a certain country just around the corner. Christian laity have been video taped burning senior citizens to death whom they have accused of being witches just around the corner in Kisii. deaths in these above cases were long drawn and painful, worse if not equal to what YOU elaborately detest. Are these things that have happened among us and within our earshot less evil than the one that you find abhorrent? Light Bearer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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AlphDoti wrote:muganda wrote:Perhaps I need to rephrase... @tycho @Alphdoti today is Sun 05-May-2013.
Please confirm if YOU, would be willing to subjugate yourself to any law or religious dictum that handles infidelity (only for the woman mind you) in this way...
- shoot your daughter 3 times at the back of the head
- obligate sons to stone their mother to death to prove their manhood... First, understand that you're asking a question which is so obviuos. You should not forget that Muslims are committed people, if there is law to be followed, then they follow. < Question> shoot your daughter 3 times at the back of the head? < Answer> Yes, if she is guilty of the most serious of crimes, punishable by death.< Question> obligate sons to stone their mother to death to prove their manhood? < Answer> No. It's very clear in Quran 5:32, you cannot kill innocent human being.So what should we doabout these people who do serious of crimes like adultery, murder, sodomy, robery with violence, rape etc? The scholars of Islam say they should be punished, they are criminals and the aim is to find them and kill them as criminals. [ b]If you're Christian
then I tell you even your God (my God too, but I emphasize the Bible here) Says that such crimes are punishable. I can give you evidence in your own Bible.[/b] L
Evidence
That's why in Islamic countries:
- crime rate is the lowest
- poverty is the lowest (obligatory charity) It has nothing to do with the blessings of being in rich oil countries?
- [b]cases of HIV is lowest- etc This is true... it also says you do not spare the ROD. However, i haven't seen anywhere in the bible where it says "punish them by death" of whichever form. i do not believe anyone should punish anybody to death for whatever reason. Islam included. If they can however say that they can give life, then, I'd agree, they have a right to take it. The question I always ask myself is, if the Islam laws were not that "punitive", would people behave the way they do? Are criminal activities lower because people believe in the religion and do good or is it because of the fear of the consequences of that law? Left on their own, without the threat of death - and death in the most devastating way, would the rate be as low? I don't know. However, i must say, when some people from areas where the countries are generally governed by Islamic law visit areas without such laws (or they are not strictly applied), they let themselves loose and they do the same things that "non-believers"(for lack of a better word) do. Let me ask, how come in Kenya, we do have Muslims, but we have not heard of these acts? Is it that Muslims in Kenya are way "better believers" than their Iraq counterparts?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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@Annti_Christy mademoiselle  Forgive me if I'm wrong about your gender, but one thing I know as sure as rain, is you are a wayfarer - a seeker in search of truth. If you reread all my posts in this thread, you will realise I made a concious effort to make sure I did not speak of Islam or Christianity. Even the Hafez quip in my post 3 was verbatim the title card of the movie. I'm proceeding to disembark from my high tower; but similarly you must accept you mention christianity much more than I, who claims to be one. The opposite of love is indifference - I humbly put it to you that you are not indifferent to christianity, and that is a good thing. “We cannot teach people anything; we can only help them discover it within themselves” Galileo GalileiAnnti_Christy wrote:muganda wrote:Perhaps I need to rephrase... @tycho @Alphdoti today is Sun 05-May-2013.
Please confirm if YOU, would be willing to subjugate yourself to any law or religious dictum that handles infidelity (only for the woman mind you) in this way...
- shoot your daughter 3 times at the back of the head
- obligate sons to stone their mother to death to prove their manhood
"We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another." - Jonathan Swift
"God has no religion. Hate the sin, love the sinner." - Mahatma Gandhi
Sir, I humbly request you to get off your high horse. you are painting this thing in its worst light possible. Christian clergy menhave been arrested, tried and convicted of genocide that happened in a certain country just around the corner. Christian laity have been video taped burning senior citizens to death whom they have accused of being witches just around the corner in Kisii. deaths in these above cases were long drawn and painful, worse if not equal to what YOU elaborately detest. Are these things that have happened among us and within our earshot less evil than the one that you find abhorrent?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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MaichBlack wrote:Pure BARBARISM!!! I would never kill my daughter for WHATEVER reason. Shoot her from the back [thrice!] with an AK47 while she's on her knees!! Some people must have maggots in their brains!!! This is beyond madness! Not maggots, but faeces! GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2012 Posts: 320
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Muganda, sir. I am most humbled you have responded to me. most would not have. You are right, i am a seeker and I have sought hard and long. And I think I found what i was looking for. christianity indeed is my favourite topic. my id speaks volumes of this fact. I have laboured hard and long and not meaning to blow my own horn, i have a very good grasp of its history and its bible I dare say more than the typical christian. Perhaps I intimidate them. That stated, i abhor inhuman acts done in the name of religion. I would oppose anyone who (mistakenly or otherwise) appears to me to relish the dastardly acts done by individuals of a different religion. If it is a muslim or atheist or even christian (strangely) who describes christianity as anything less than it is, rest assured i will oppose him. I am sad john is back. How many christians, so quick to pounce on islam and on its recent & hapless convert Alphdoti will stand up against him? At least I have seen the muslim stand up to him once or twice. Light Bearer
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 420 Location: Nairobi
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Annti_Christy wrote:
Muganda, sir.
I am most humbled you have responded to me. most would not have.
You are right, i am a seeker and I have sought hard and long. And I think I found what i was looking for. christianity indeed is my favourite topic. my id speaks volumes of this fact.
I have laboured hard and long and not meaning to blow my own horn, i have a very good grasp of its history and its bible I dare say more than the typical christian. Perhaps I intimidate them.
That stated, i abhor inhuman acts done in the name of religion. I would oppose anyone who (mistakenly or otherwise) appears to me to relish the dastardly acts done by individuals of a different religion.
If it is a muslim or atheist or even christian (strangely) who describes christianity as anything less than it is, rest assured i will oppose him.
I am sad john is back. How many christians, so quick to pounce on islam and on its recent & hapless convert Alphdoti will stand up against him? At least I have seen the muslim stand up to him once or twice.
Your Pet Peeve,. Yesss! Im among those Intimidated Christians  But Please, this topic is about about oppression & violence against women in the name of religion. Please keep your vicious anti Christ tirades to your sectarian Thread...
Opinion is free, truth is sacred.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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" kill my daughter for religion" ?? Some people have been blinded by foreign religion customs practiced centuries ago. No wonder if heavens really exist ( it don't ), I will kindly excuse myself rather than sharing with those characters. Proud to be an Atheist. work to prosper
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2012 Posts: 320
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Blackberry wrote: Your Pet Peeve,. Yesss! Im among those Intimidated Christians But Please, this topic is about about oppression & violence against women in the name of religion. Please keep your vicious anti Christ tirades to your sectarian Thread... blackberry, seriously, First islam was spoken of in not-so-flowery terms, and you did not speak against the onslaught because you are not a muslim. The day your current 'friends' confront you with oppression and violence in the name of christianity, is the day ...... Light Bearer
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 420 Location: Nairobi
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Annti_Christy wrote:
The day your current 'friends' confront you with oppression and violence in the name of christianity, is the day ......
oppression and violence in the name of Christianity??? .. Dont hold your breath.... Surely all that is in Christiandom's history....oh true, we hear cases of ignorant souls lost in doomsday sayers and weird cults... well, religion is the opium for the poor as an atheist would say.... AntiChristy, so are u an atheist
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