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KQ 2008-9 Results
KulaRaha
#11 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:03:00 AM
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When I reported here they have fuel hedges based on $120 per barrel,going out as far as 3 years,someone mentioned I was dreaming.

Obviously,the proof is in the pudding.




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Hi-Lo
#12 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:09:00 AM
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..the Finance Director needs to be investigated...he could be on the other side of the hedge...

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KulaRaha
#13 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:13:00 AM
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I suspect you will find a multi-national bank on the other side...reporting nice profits!

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McReggae
#14 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:15:00 AM
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The hedges may have become a perfect excuse!!!....if you consider 1st half results we had Kshs1.26B as fuel hedge reserve in 2008/2009 compared to Kshs 2.79B reserve for 2007/2008 reflecting a reduction in the cost of hedging!!!!



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kizee
#15 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:24:00 AM
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multi-national-read standard chartered....but they didnt make 12 billion in income from the hedge...kq just do not have the knowledge of how these prodcuts work
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:27:00 AM
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KQ did not apply IAS 39 to the 1H results. Essentially IAS 39 says that you mark-to-market (which KQ did in 1H results) & take the 'calculation' through your Income Statement (KQ did NOT do that in 1H or prior years).

*** A new CFO thus a new way of doing things. KQ used to account for the loss/gain in their balance sheet through Fuel Hedge Reserve as part of the Shareholders Equity.

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McReggae
#17 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:31:00 AM
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Hey watever the calculation we still had a fuel hedge reserve for both finacial years man!!!!

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..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:38:00 AM
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Yes,KQ losses piled up coz of hedges (ironical coz fuel prices have dropped). The hedges are at much higher prices (current oil at $65 but hedges taken when oil was at $140+).
**** KQ like most other NSE firms provides bare minimum information thus I am unaware of the notional amount of the hedges (mainly forward contracts).
**** Finance Director (generally) has to follow IFRS rules/guidelines. The exception to IAS 39's treatment was highlighted in the notes.
**** I think IAS 39 is a good rule but how it is reported) is where I question it... It makes the Income Statement jump all over for items whose values did not actually affect the firm's results in any significant way.
**** The fuel hedging loss is a LOSS. Let's be clear about that. But the loss will reverse (& overstate profits) in 1H 2009-10 if fuel prices have risen (all other things being Pari Passu) since 31 Mar 2009. Which they have.

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kizee
#19 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:47:00 AM
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revaluations as per IAS 39 should be done daily,please note that KQ had an oppurtunity to exit the hedge but did not...thats my point...and i must say that it is strange how revalutaion is an accounting terms yet accountants have no idea how it works
Mainat
#20 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2009 7:48:00 AM
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Still haven&rsquo;t seen the pdf but the hedge sounds like a self-strangulation policy (obviously thanks to the smiling bank) rather like East Africa Portland&rsquo;s yen loan.


How much of its fuel was on this 3yr hedge?
Isn&rsquo;t the whole point of a hedge that you monitor it on monthly basis (whether you are accounting for it in the P&L or not)?
Given the volatility of oil prices,isn&rsquo;t better off just have 6 month rolling hedges covering differing proportions of fuel costs?



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