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Mr.Tea
#1 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 5:27:00 AM
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How is it that a company announces impressive results and yet this impacts so negatively in the stock mart? Scan group's stock lost a good 12% of its value after a material announcement yesterday.I don't understand that...

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mwanahisa
#2 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 5:45:00 AM
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One reason why Scangroup share price went down is that the price had been pushed up by speculative buying,anticipating increased profits. Once the news was in there was no more reason to wait.

Buy the rumor,sell the news,is wise market advice born from time-tested trading experience. The market often prices in change before it occurs. Then,when it does occur,the market surprises the herd by moving in the opposite direction than was expected.

Also,note Scangroup reduced dividends from 90 cents to 75 cents per share. Savvy market operators have noted the signalling effect. Their revenues and profits may NOT grow sufficiently this year to sustain the previous dividend payout with the new higher number of shares after the issue of new shares to WPP.


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Mr.Tea
#3 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 6:05:00 AM
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@mwanahisa,

Thanks for that illuminating response.

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VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 8:07:00 AM
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They expect 10-12% revenue growth in 2009. That is less than inflation. AdSpend has dropped as companies cut back on expenses. ScanGroup's 1.3bn in cash will come in handy as acquisitions become cheaper but this is over the next 2-3 years.

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#5 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 9:01:00 AM
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They are sitting on a lot of cash therefore Return on Assets is low - like Uchumi was before someone decided to relieve them off their excess cash. Worse,they don't seem to know what to do with it.
mwanahisa
#6 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 9:24:00 AM
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I think that is a rather unfair characterisation. Sure they are sitting on a pile of cash - almost a billion shillings to be precise. Is that a bad thing in a declining economy? Most other companies (Centum,Trans Century etc) would kill to be in their shoes. They can bide their time and wait to pounce once an appropriate acquisition comes along. In the meantime,banks like Stanchart are offering 10% per annum for high value deposits. Infrastructure and all sorts of bonds are also coming a plenty. Scan can easily earn an additional Kshs 100 million or so just from placing their money on deposit which would be another 25% growth in profits in 2009.

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across
#7 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 12:04:00 PM
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I think their results are unimpressive.A closer look at their cashflow indicates that the 946m cash at hand mainly came from the issue of new shares. Cash generated from operations(which is what matters) was a meagre 4.4m which says alot about their liquidity in 2008.
mwanahisa
#8 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 12:42:00 PM
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If cash flow is the only metric that one were to use to determine whether results are impressive or not,then I would agree with you. I however reckon the reason for this is that in light of the downturn,companies are demanding longer credit periods and rather then lose business,Scan is indulging them. After all,they had almost a billion in cash. This will help them counter other agencies,although they are pledging to improve on their cash management in 2009.

Scangroup is also not particularly bullish on the future and I think that's the reason for the cold reception following the results - and I for one do not like a company that lowers its dividends. However Q1 revenues are up 17%,which is not bad in the present circumstances. I would certainly BUY on price weakness and wait out the recession.


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#9 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 1:39:00 PM
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@mwanahisa,Scangroup's core business doesn't include keeping and investing money - that,like you have rightly pointed out,is for the Centums and Transcenturies. They diluted our shares when they created shares for WPP but didn't put the cash realised to the use intended and I believe that market is punishing that.
mwanahisa
#10 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 6:24:00 PM
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GG,I agree but note that the issue of new shares to WPP was only completed towards the end of the year (at a price well above the current trading price). Dilution was therefore minimal in 2008 - EPS is reported on a weighted basis - both by period and number of shares. Of course the intention for the new capital was to deploy it in their core business. Scangroup has grown largely through acquisitions rather than organically. The fact is it is better to wait for firms to become desperate and buy companies at big discounts. You will remember Microsoft was rebuffed by Yahoo only for Yahoo to later see their share price collapse well below Microsoft's offer price.

I am sure the money will be put to good use in time. For this reason,I reiterate my argument that I would rather see a company with a good cash position in the present circumstances. Note only 50,000 shares or so have been traded since the release of the shares. A bid of 100,000 will see most of the supply dissappear,but I for one - I aint buying yet.


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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Friday, April 17, 2009 8:56:00 PM
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@GG - Normally you make sensible arguments but this time you are blabbing without looking into WHY ScanGroup has the cash. Mwanahisa has done a great job in explaining the situation.

Surely,a little research would have told you that ScanGroup sold the shares to WPP in late 2008 so unless they had acquisitions lined up ready to go in 2008,the cash would show up on their balance sheet. Furthermore,the WPP deal probably started much earlier & concluded in late 2008. And the economic situation had taken a turn for the worse. ScanGroup is SMART by waiting for prices for acquirees to drop. And they will. In the meantime... enjoy the high rates... Forget bank deposits,if they are very smart (they are)... they would have gone for the liquid & high-yielding IFB.

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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:30:00 AM
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http://grainsofmasala.blogspot.com/

This guy/gal makes a compelling case for ScanGroup.

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youcan'tstopusnow
#13 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 3:24:02 AM
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Gatheuzi, do you still have these? At 63, its trading at a P.E of nearly 35, way above the industry average (at a glance) How far can it go?
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 3:41:48 AM
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63/- is way beyond anything I would have thought!!! I do not get it... I really do not!
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sparkly
#15 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 7:57:10 AM
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@vvs am also perplexed. Surely these prices are not supported by earnings potential
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#16 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:47:10 AM
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A company trading at a P/E of 35 more than double the market P/E really has alot of pressure to catch earnings up....

From the results it is highly unlikely scangroup match up to those standards....

My valuation of the counter is 45% lower than where it is trading now but i know speculators might continue to drive it up
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VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:05:34 AM
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Anyway, I dont have ScanGroup... so I can't participate in the gain! I will look at others shares which have much lower forward P/Es...
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Gatheuzi
#18 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:22:59 PM
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@ youcant, I no longer have scan- I sold half the units @42 and the other lot @54.

Watching the price now I am almost banging my head on the table. However the stock is getting too pricey even after factoring in the acquisitons.

My estimate is that the stock should be trading between 45 - 50. Good luck to those buying at 62.
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Gatheuzi
#19 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:28:36 PM
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I forgot to mention that my entry was at 26 around Mar this year.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:32:13 PM
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I've held a modest holding for sentimental reasons - I met Thakkar when they were at the Integrity Bldg in those days and was particularly impressed by his knowledge and approach to the business. Maybe I should dump and wait for to impending fall then pick up again.
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