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Housing Finance: HFCK a diamond in the rough
mwanahisa
#541 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:13:54 AM
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The folly of speaking too early. But with my hoard, I am smiling...

cnn wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
wilyum wrote:
so should we expect today to clock to 26?

Not with the current bearishness in the market. I am a long term buyer (although I will lighten if it pops up) and I will be looking to buy at the pre-result levels 24 and below, once the buzz regarding the results is over!

26 taken.


VituVingiSana
#542 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:18:56 AM
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The management seemed bullish with KBS profits coming in 4Q 2013 but should continue in 2014. It is reasonably safe to assume as long as interest rates don't go crazy, HFCK can make 4 EPS which means the current price of 26 is very attractive vs its peers.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
cnn
#543 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:24:01 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:
The folly of speaking too early. But with my hoard, I am smiling...

cnn wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
wilyum wrote:
so should we expect today to clock to 26?

Not with the current bearishness in the market. I am a long term buyer (although I will lighten if it pops up) and I will be looking to buy at the pre-result levels 24 and below, once the buzz regarding the results is over!

26 taken.



In the process i have lost a block which i had put up there during the post election euphoria...but still only a fraction of my total holding in HF..and with a handsome profit made.
mwanahisa
#544 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:24:17 AM
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Am I sensing the price is in retreat mode as supply (traders) come to harvest this small bonanza?

PS: I remain bullish on the stock for the long term.
obiero
#545 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:07:02 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Wow @obiero had it.

KES 215mn he said pre-tax but he might have misheard coz the PAT (Comprehensive Income is 216mn)
KES 31.5bn he said Loans & it came to KES 31.5mn

Exchange Bar is definitely the Exchange Bar!

@vvs. Grey Goose by-the-bottle on my bill tomorrow night. Will be with my people at the Exchange Bar, Stanley.. long live insider trading :)
@the deal. do your investments as we do ours. proof of the puddin is in the eatin! the figures i gave are still on this very thread! i called out HF loans and advances to a near exact figure, more than a month ago but u overlook this and choose to call my friends fake?! did u note my KCB insider preview variance of less than 0.5%? I have also sneek previewed KQ results two months in advance.. This is how we make cash while u whine :)

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
the deal
#546 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:24:49 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Wow @obiero had it.

KES 215mn he said pre-tax but he might have misheard coz the PAT (Comprehensive Income is 216mn)
KES 31.5bn he said Loans & it came to KES 31.5mn

Exchange Bar is definitely the Exchange Bar!

@vvs. Grey Goose by-the-bottle on my bill tomorrow night. Will be with my people at the Exchange Bar, Stanley.. long live insider trading :)
@the deal. do your investments as we do ours. proof of the puddin is in the eatin! the figures i gave are still on this very thread! i called out HF loans and advances to a near exact figure, more than a month ago but u overlook this and choose to call my friends fake?! did u note my KCB insider preview variance of less than 0.5%? I have also sneek previewed KQ results two months in advance.. This is how we make cash while u whine :)

Nkt!!! @obiero grow up!!!
VituVingiSana
#547 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:59:17 AM
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@obiero - Pls give us the KQ preview again. Is it for FY 2012-13?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#548 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:26:26 AM
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@the deal. please learn how to deal with me, you woman. peleka emotions zako kitandani! its never that serious.. :)
@vvs. i put up a sketch on 'KQ why ignore..' will fill in finer details due course

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
the deal
#549 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:37:58 AM
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obiero wrote:
@the deal. please learn how to deal with me, you woman. peleka emotions zako kitandani! its never that serious.. :)
@vvs. i put up a sketch on 'KQ why ignore..' will fill in finer details due course

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly relax...only man who wear skirts and lipstick at night take things on forums personally...if you want the figures for KQ I can give you...then we compare notes...Insider information or what ever it is will not help you and becareful what you say on online forums...CMA could be watching...dont be proud of an illegal activity like insider trading...its a shame to be proud of cheating!
mlennyma
#550 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:08:32 AM
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Iam uncomfortable when pple talk of insider trading in a forum that can be read worldwide,its a way of killing investor confidence and up holding corruption.even where it happens its never prudent to discuss it as a plus in public..its a mockery to c.m.a and a wash away on the concerned companies public image and leadership integrity..lets politely avoid it at all costs.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#551 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:13:19 AM
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@obiero - I need to look at the 1H 2012-13 results but I am worried about KQ's 2H 2012-13 as well. I think the worst (hit) of the hedges were taken in 1H but 2H has operational challenges thus the (overall) loss may not as large as 1H but an operational loss for 2H.

My non-Exchange Bar thoughts!

1) The huge salary savings that were not saved from the 800 staff who the (useless) court sent back to work. Upon their 'return to work', they probably did not care about working as much as gloating.
2) The costs of the 'firings' that have to be expensed. Lawyers, HR, etc.
3) The slowdown in 4Q 2012-13 (Jan-Mar 2013) due to the elections. Look at the 4Q passenger numbers.
4) The increased fixed assets (planes) in 2H 2012-13 which may not have been fully utilized with the low PLFs.
5) Aggressive RwandaAir & Air Uganda which competes for the lucrative KGL & EBB routes.

Pros
1) The LCCs seem to be dead/dying. Fly 540 has issues with FastJet. Jetlink has issues in South Sudan which crippled it.
2) The drop in the (share) price to reflect the problems.
3) Stable KES & fuel prices.

"The company put into the market capacity totalling 3,143m seat kilometres which was 4.5% below last year’s level. The decline during the period was as a result of discontinued operations to N’Djamena, Muscat and Jeddah though New Delhi joined the network in the first quarter of 2012."

Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#552 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:37:27 AM
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@obiero I've been listening to praises going towards you and your 'Exchange bar" but truth be told you said that HFCK q1 PBT would be 215million or a 14% rise and instead we got 279million or a a 46% rise!

How are these numbers even remotely similar??

imho your so called "exchange bar" is just you speculating at home using publicly available information to come up with predictions!

I'm sorry to say that Insider information is way way way way more accurate than the crap you are spilling here!!

You were lucky with kcb and even this still had variance... As we go along and you continue to get predictions wrong wazuans will finally see how fake this "exchange bar" really is!!


Shame on you Liar
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#553 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:33:48 AM
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Books closure is 17th May.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
obiero
#554 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:06:29 PM
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@others. why does this woman sound soo bitter. Pia yeye amekataa kuacknowledge loans and advances HFCK prediction as being accurate. Anywho, yesterday we met again with friends at the [in]famous exchange bar where it was revealed that the green regional bank is slated to report reduced PBT at KES 2.6B or lower. This comes hot on the heel of Citibank's leaked report that stated the green as well as brown bank had for some time been overstating profitability. Thank me later

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
guru267
#555 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:59:37 PM
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Any Tom, Dick or Harry could've predicted KCB will report a lower q1.. You do not have to go to an exchange bar to know that!

@obiero I only hope you are wrong on the KCB prediction so as to completely finally kill this "exchange bar" mambo jambo!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
obiero
#556 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:46 PM
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thank me later. some people loved Jesus and some did not :)

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Hunderwear
#557 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:04:41 PM
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obiero wrote:
thank me later. some people loved Jesus and some did not :)

Insider trading is everywhere even in developed marker like it or not.Its one one of the strategies used for trading with a high percentage of success.If indeed someone out there knows this then its fair enough to share ad long as its accurate.This way the effect is neutralized.
Obiero go on with your sharing but you have to vet the info b4 posting it here.Now am waiting for your numbers for CFC Stanbic
hisah
#558 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 3:26:41 PM
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Since many are wondering about insider trading. Here's something about the same and it happens in Washington, DC. Also a simple search on google about political or authority insider trading as well as market manipulation gives a lot of results some of which are credible and have hit the mainstream media and some have led to jail term. In short insider trading exists in every market and there's no financial market that tells the truth. They can't make money if all info is in the public. Just remember when you profit someone else is losing... That's how the market works. Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered. That's the reality and no broker, financial advisor etc will ever admit this. They'll just tell you that investing carries some risks Liar
#Schoolofthehardknocks

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mlennyma
#559 Posted : Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:31:28 AM
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Gearing for books close breaks 26 barrier posibly today..obiero yawa!
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Aguytrying
#560 Posted : Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:46:56 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Gearing for books close breaks 26 barrier posibly today..obiero yawa!

@ mlenny u are riding many winners cfci, acces and hf among others. kudos umekuwa superstar.
on hf just chill for half yr and q3 results to start hitting people and by next year or end yr. surely 30 is in range.
and we wont be done, next year more growth on top of this yrs= high stock price. hapa I will do 300% inshallah.
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