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Housing Finance Q1 2013 PAT up 46%
Ericsson
#21 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:35:17 AM
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Co-op bank is snapping like all the upcoming real estate projects.That is why HFCK is looking for additional funds to try and wane off the competition.
Co-op bank is trying to do what KCB thru S&L did;finance the estate developer and the house buyer all at the same time.
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mwekez@ji
#22 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:38:11 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
HFCK is going to get competition from Co-op bank which is now entering the mortgage market with interest rates cheaper than HFCK.
Alos Barclays is getting back to mortgage business which it had scaled down over the past few years.
Both are doing similar models like HFCK i.e financing construction and also buyers at cheaper rates than HFCK
True but HFCK has 'institutional memory' while the newbies get their feet wet. Of course, there is always the possibility of a complete buy-out by Equity/Britam.

Aguytrying
#23 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:45:37 AM
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Finally we are now all singing the same song. And to imagine that less than 9 months ago this share was going for 12-14 bob.
I still see great value even at current prices. By the end of next year it should be flirting with 50's.
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Ericsson
#24 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:46:45 AM
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Possibility of a complete buy-out was ruled out by the other shareholders some time back and I don't know if the two would be interested in undertaking the venture for now.
Also for Equity their business model is mostly in the short term loans of upto 5 years since their deposit base doesn't have individual clients who have deposits in the range of billions and tens of billions but rather a high number of small savers
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mwekez@ji
#25 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 10:53:54 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Possibility of a complete buy-out was ruled out by the other shareholders some time back and I don't know if the two would be interested in undertaking the venture for now.
Also for Equity their business model is mostly in the short term loans of upto 5 years since their deposit base doesn't have individual clients who have deposits in the range of billions and tens of billions but rather a high number of small savers


@Ericsson, note Equity Bank is already holding the maximum allowed shareholding threshold in HFCK. Britam has been buying the share from market (NSE) like crazy and it is now about to also hit the maximum allowed shareholding threshold in HFCK. Their actions speak louder than words than they would willingly takeover HFCK if given the opportunity. .... on deposits, note Equity Bank is not the small boy we knew zama za kale!!!
Ericsson
#26 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:04:32 AM
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@mwekez@ji Nobody said equity bank is a small boy.Get my statement correct "capacity to lend for long durations like 20 years".
The interest rate for HFCK is high as compared to barclays and co-operative bank.This is the edge and headstart the two have.
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mwekez@ji
#27 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:16:22 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@mwekez@ji Nobody said equity bank is a small boy.Get my statement correct "capacity to lend for long durations like 20 years".
The interest rate for HFCK is high as compared to barclays and co-operative bank.This is the edge and headstart the two have.


I will say candidly that Equity Bank has the capacity to lend for long durations like 20 years. Long term lending majorly relies on external long term borrowing and i believe that Equity Bank is a big boy with big muscles to marshal such external borrowing. Besides, if HFCK is able to do it on its own, why not with the synergy that it would be having with Equity Bank. To add, even coop, s&l, bbk, cfc and other mortgage lenders have to seek external funding to address the assets liability mismatch that is created by mortgage lending.

On interest rates charged by the different mortgage lenders to their customers, give us the figures we analyse them
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:24:11 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Possibility of a complete buy-out was ruled out by the other shareholders some time back and I don't know if the two would be interested in undertaking the venture for now.
Also for Equity their business model is mostly in the short term loans of upto 5 years since their deposit base doesn't have individual clients who have deposits in the range of billions and tens of billions but rather a high number of small savers


@Ericsson, note Equity Bank is already holding the maximum allowed shareholding threshold in HFCK. Britam has been buying the share from market (NSE) like crazy and it is now about to also hit the maximum allowed shareholding threshold in HFCK. Their actions speak louder than words than they would willingly takeover HFCK if given the opportunity. .... on deposits, note Equity Bank is not the small boy we knew zama za kale!!!

Equity Bank's many small savers provide 'cheap' deposits AND allow for profitable multiple transactions. As for the 'other' HFCK shareholders who are against the buy-out. At 40, Equity/Britam can have my shares... and all Equity/Britam need are 75% of the votes. At the right price (or offer for a share swap) it will happen!

Long-term lending using short-term deposits affects ALL Kenyan banks since Kenyans are not known for long-term deposits due to low rates or inflation. It takes time. As the Insurance Sector develops, I expect long-term deposits to become important.

HFCK has HUGE synergies with Britam which can offer long-term funds tied to Life Insurance policies & insurance to/for the borrowers as well.
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Ericsson
#29 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:38:18 AM
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Co-op Bank---16.5%
Barclays bank---15.5%
KCB---16%
HFCK---18%
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mwekez@ji
#30 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:44:51 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Co-op Bank---16.5%
Barclays bank---15.5%
KCB---16%
HFCK---18%


On Coop, BBK, KCB, is that base rate or the effective rate coz for the HFCK it is effective rate and its revision is long overdue
mwekez@ji
#31 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:48:14 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Co-op Bank---16.5%
Barclays bank---15.5%
KCB---16%
HFCK---18%


On Coop, BBK, KCB, is that base rate or the effective rate coz for the HFCK it is effective rate and its revision is long overdue


.... and any idea on the loan processing fees charged by each of these lenders and any other charges imposed on the lending?
mwekez@ji
#32 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:51:17 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Co-op Bank---16.5%
Barclays bank---15.5%
KCB---16%
HFCK---18%


On Coop, BBK, KCB, is that base rate or the effective rate coz for the HFCK it is effective rate and its revision is long overdue


.... and any idea on the loan processing fees charged by each of these lenders and any other charges imposed on the lending?


cc @Banker, et al
Ericsson
#33 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 11:56:38 AM
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That is the rate u will get when u for example want to take a 15 year mortgage rate.
I have visited the mentioned banks and that is the rate.
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VituVingiSana
#34 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:00:26 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
That is the rate u will get when u for example want to take a 15 year mortgage rate.
I have visited the mentioned banks and that is the rate.
Hidden fees? How is the process i.e. they want you first born too?
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Ericsson
#35 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:19:34 PM
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The hidden fees are mostly one-off charges which all the banks charge
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mwekez@ji
#36 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:31:29 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
The hidden fees are mostly one-off charges which all the banks charge


Wrong assumption. Some banks will haunt you during the whole tenor of the loan with numerous charges. Thats why one is always strongly adviced to read the fine prints before signing the dotted lines. Mate, dont get your neck in the noose of the hangman with such assumption
Ericsson
#37 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:35:06 PM
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which hidden charges are u saying kindly specify them.
The usual charges am talking about are annual fire,insurance and ledger fees plus late payment penalty
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mwekez@ji
#38 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:42:03 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
which hidden charges are u saying kindly specify them.
The usual charges am talking about are annual fire,insurance and ledger fees plus late payment penalty


... loan processing fees (is it annual or a one-off-fee, that varies among the lenders and loans) ledger fees (what amount, and note some bank dont charge this on loan accounts), prepayment fees (some banks will charge you crazy amounts for this and some will not charge you a penny), any charges on release of funds before security perfection, etc etc etc etc etc etc ... all in the fine prints
Ericsson
#39 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:46:47 PM
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Loan processing fee is an one-off and is usually 1% of the loan amount
Ledger fees is about ksh.350 to 400.

Calculate a loan of ksh.4m for 15 years using co-op @16.5% and HFCK @18% and then see the difference in amount and u will realise what am saying that HFCK is gonna face stiff compe
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mwekez@ji
#40 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 12:59:12 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Loan processing fee is an one-off and is usually 1% of the loan amount
Ledger fees is about ksh.350 to 400.

Calculate a loan of ksh.4m for 15 years using co-op @16.5% and HFCK @18% and then see the difference in amount and u will realise what am saying that HFCK is gonna face stiff compe


even putting aside the hidden charges (coz they tend to be hidden in the fine prints that many dont read), interest rates wont maintain that differential for a long time. Am even thinking that coop could be charging that so as to gain acceptance in the new market and could be shouldering some cost which will end up being shouldered by someone. Read the prints well to ensure you dont lose out in the end ... BTW, I am also invested in coop and my advice to you is coz you are a wazuan and i would want you to get the best loan deal. I have nothing against coop bank and especially from an investment perspective. It is a good investment that will make investors money.
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