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KenolKobil FY 2012 substrata loss of 9b!
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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Aguytrying wrote:Kausha wrote:Unlikely this price will drop below 9. It appears there was a bigger seller who may have already finished selling. And I suspect it's the same seller who has been selling from 11. Without this seller I doubt anyone else will be selling soon at 9.00. I suspect the same. I hope they aint done. I am betting they are not, but I did buy quite a bunch today!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Kausha wrote:Unlikely this price will drop below 9. It appears there was a bigger seller who may have already finished selling. And I suspect it's the same seller who has been selling from 11. Without this seller I doubt anyone else will be selling soon at 9.00. Large volume day 1, price closes lower. Large volume day 2, intraday VWAP still lower than yesterday. Don't jump infront of the buy. The price is trimming losses just like yesterday, but on small volumes. If I see a large volume bid (2M shares) e.g. a bid of 9.50, then I can be comfy the floor is @9. For now I insist supply is still being tested and 9 will breakdown.
Patience... $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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@hisah, patience is the word!just be careful JS doesn't ropokwa while you are exercising patience. anything below 10 is a great buy for this stock!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Kausha wrote:@hisah, patience is the word!just be careful JS doesn't ropokwa while you are exercising patience. anything below 10 is a great buy for this stock! Since 16 this thing has been a sell. We are yet to hit the 50% fibo retracement which brings the price to 8 - 8.30. This will print. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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WTH, in year 2012, executives exercised their options at a weighted average price of KES 3.42. .... KES 3.42!!!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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I waited. And waited. And waited. Then went in at 9.50 for a chunk. I think it will pay off. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/25/2012 Posts: 110
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VituVingiSana wrote:I waited. And waited. And waited. Then went in at 9.50 for a chunk. I think it will pay off. At that level it will pay off, even in case you lose some value in the short term. There is nothing as dangerous as an Idea, when there is only one Idea
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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symbols wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Large trades totaling 2.24m vol at 9 already! Was wondering the same.Seems someone was dreaming of KK. VituVingiSana wrote:About time! Now to get my banker on the line!
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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MoneyMonger wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I waited. And waited. And waited. Then went in at 9.50 for a chunk. I think it will pay off. At that level it will pay off, even in case you lose some value in the short term. I waited at 9.00 too, but no large trades came through. still waiting. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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NSE has lost 5.3% since touching 5030. Support seen at 4,700 but KK has found support at 9 bob. If I was a trader I would be going in and ride the upcoming relief rally.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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the deal wrote:NSE has lost 5.3% since touching 5030. Support seen at 4,700 but KK has found support at 9 bob. If I was a trader I would be going in and ride the upcoming relief rally. Good advice. The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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mwekez@ji wrote:WTH, in year 2012, executives exercised their options at a weighted average price of KES 3.42. .... KES 3.42!!! .... and Segman has options totalling 4% of the company, that will place him as top 6 shareholder!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 1,635
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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FUNKY wrote:http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/2013/04/vivo-wants-kprl-shut-over-inefficiency/ KK has ben saying that for years. Let's see if & when KK will pursue the cases against KPRL & KPC under the new regime. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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mwekez@ji wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:WTH, in year 2012, executives exercised their options at a weighted average price of KES 3.42. .... KES 3.42!!! .... and Segman has options totalling 4% of the company, that will place him as top 6 shareholder!!! Aint this a way of segman stealing the company from shareholders. ... Any investor will tell how expensive it is to buy significant shareholding in KK yet segman is getting there at a steal of cKES 3.42 for the shares!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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stabbing the ordinary shareholders through the back. Bure kabisaaa Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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mwekezaji, it pays to be a manager;-). I expect this form of compensation to gain more prevalence in Kenyan markets as we go along. GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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mwekez@ji wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:WTH, in year 2012, executives exercised their options at a weighted average price of KES 3.42. .... KES 3.42!!! .... and Segman has options totalling 4% of the company, that will place him as top 6 shareholder!!! Aint this a way of segman stealing the company from shareholders. ... Any investor will tell how expensive it is to buy significant shareholding in KK yet segman is getting there at a steal of cKES 3.42 for the shares!!! They are options given to him in lieu of cash compensation. I prefer he buys rather than get options BUT it beats cash compensation as he can feel the pain if KK under-performs. With the options, he is probably looking for the highest possible buyout too! Watch him in 2013 when he pushes for better results. And I suspect KK will be back as a bride in 2014. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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Someone please explain these hedging losses to me. Do they represent a real cash output for the business or are they just accounting figures representing a profit foregone ( by virtue of buying fuel higher than was necessary). They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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At Tom_boy.....wiki defines it as follows
A hedge is an investment position intended to offset potential losses/gains that may be incurred by a companion investment. In simple language, a hedge is used to reduce any substantial losses/gains suffered by an individual or an organization.
Hedging fuel consumption
Main article: Fuel hedging
Airlines use futures contracts and derivatives to hedge their exposure to the price of jet fuel. They know that they must purchase jet fuel for as long as they want to stay in business, and fuel prices are notoriously volatile. By using crude oil futures contracts to hedge their fuel requirements (and engaging in similar but more complex derivatives transactions), Southwest Airlines was able to save a large amount of money when buying fuel as compared to rival airlines when fuel prices in the U.S. rose dramatically after the 2003 Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina.
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