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Coop Bank - Stocksmaster's 1st Play 2013
obiero
#41 Posted : Wednesday, April 03, 2013 7:58:41 PM
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cooperative bank stock fair value for me is KES 17. having left the HFCK bus that was crusing at dangerous speeds, I am now strategically re-invested in the Kingdom Bank for a second time having bought some in 2008 for KES 5.8 and sold in 2010 for KES 18.5.. @wazuans what is your fair value based on your personal assumptions?

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wilyum
#42 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2013 12:12:04 PM
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how far down is this going?
Mukiri
#43 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2013 12:50:30 PM
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obiero wrote:
cooperative bank stock fair value for me is KES 17. having left the HFCK bus that was crusing at dangerous speeds, I am now strategically re-invested in the Kingdom Bank for a second time having bought some in 2008 for KES 5.8 and sold in 2010 for KES 18.5.. @wazuans what is your fair value based on your personal assumptions?

What price was this you left HFCK at?

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timuka
#44 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2013 1:19:12 PM
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wilyum wrote:
how far down is this going?


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Ericsson
#45 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2013 4:21:12 PM
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Co-op bank will report stellar results this year and might even overtake stanchart in terms of profitability to take the number 4 slot.
The bank has closed on the following deals in the real estate market as the project financier;
--Shujaa Mall along New kangundo rd where Nakumatt is the anchor tenant
---Zuri Center in Thika where Nakumatt Thika has already set shop
---Blue Bells Apartments in Syokimau/Mlolongo;a real estate project by Safaricom Sacco comprising of 180 3 bedroom and 120 2 bedroom apartments
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obiero
#46 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2013 4:50:40 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
obiero wrote:
cooperative bank stock fair value for me is KES 17. having left the HFCK bus that was crusing at dangerous speeds, I am now strategically re-invested in the Kingdom Bank for a second time having bought some in 2008 for KES 5.8 and sold in 2010 for KES 18.5.. @wazuans what is your fair value based on your personal assumptions?

What price was this you left HFCK at?

Left HFCK at KES 22.50

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Cde Monomotapa
#47 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2013 8:02:11 PM
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mwanahisa
#48 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:32:50 AM
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Ericsson, perhaps you might want to give us a range for profit growth thereby elaborating further on what you mean by stellar results.

I think Coop may not manage more than 20-25% (this would still be impressive) growth in PAT this year for the following reasons:
1.The greenfield operation in South Sudan is likely to depress profits in the short run due to the set-up costs for which there will be no immediate return.
2.In 2011, Coop had a disastrous year, hence in 2012, the results were a lot higher than 2011. In 2012 Coop therefore had the benefit of coming off a low base, which flattered their results. It will not be the case this year.
3. The rebate on taxes (5 years from the listing date) that CoopBank has been enjoying will soon come to an end, if not in 2013, then certainly in 2014.


Ericsson wrote:
Co-op bank will report stellar results this year and might even overtake stanchart in terms of profitability to take the number 4 slot.
The bank has closed on the following deals in the real estate market as the project financier;
--Shujaa Mall along New kangundo rd where Nakumatt is the anchor tenant
---Zuri Center in Thika where Nakumatt Thika has already set shop
---Blue Bells Apartments in Syokimau/Mlolongo;a real estate project by Safaricom Sacco comprising of 180 3 bedroom and 120 2 bedroom apartments

Ericsson
#49 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:37:17 AM
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The projects mentioned constitute the core activity of a bank which is to lend money and make a profit via interest rate charged.
The rebate year begins to take effect in 2014 FY so thats when the 30% takes effect.
A 20% growth in profit means the bank will have clocked 12B Pre-tax profit.
The depressed profits from south sudan operation can be overcome by the share of associate profit from CIC.
A 12b profit is a gain of more than 2B from the previous year
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
mwanahisa
#50 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:22:09 PM
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It looks like we are generally in agreement that CoopBank will post some growth in their profits. The difference is that I am not bullish with regard to the quantum of growth. While you expect stellar results, I expect moderate growth. I actually think my estimate might actually be on the higher side.

Note that CoopBank's EPS in Q1 2012 was a rather high Kshs 0.56 while the full year's EPS works out to an average of Kshs 0.46. This declines to 43 cents when you take out Q1 results from the equation. To generate 20% growth in EPS in Q1 2013 vis-a-vis 2012, they will need to have made 67 cents in Q1. Methinks, they will not manage it, but we will see. They will probably improve in other quarters, but we will probably start off the year with some disappointments.
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