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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2008 Posts: 478 Location: Old Trafford
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MaichBlack wrote:@AlphDoti - The last time I checked KU was in problems with the Engineering Board for starting Engineering courses without a single qualified lecturer in the areas of specialization, no labs etc. Did they ever sort that out? And how serious is their Computer Science program? KU have a habit of combining classes across departments - even practical oriented units - totally compromising quality!! You might end up with a class of 350 students being taught JAVA with a microphone!!! Do some investigation on these before choosing KU. I've heard of this & been wondering how its practically possible. Quite acceptable esp for JAB tho, where they pay less than 30k a year! OMG, which public uni is better now?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2008 Posts: 478 Location: Old Trafford
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blackcobra wrote:Bree wrote:254.co.ke wrote:From my own experience! My unsolicited advice would let the girl take what is of interest to her. There are those of us who resisted the temptation of being told which course is better than the other and i have never regretted even once.My take is; if that her choice, the opportunities are immense in both government and private sector-However she need to take a professional course after the undergraduate to remain relevant and gain a competitive edge. I might be castigated on this forum for saying the 'bolded course' ain't even anything much but a degree.You need professional papers to be an Actuary. I could be wrong  Are you in the same field? What are these professional papers? My 1st and 2nd degrees are both in Applied statistics, and so far, i do not regret. My changed my course of admission though. Using a variety of commercial software, graduates are expected to analyze real-world data appropriately and communicate their findings effectively.Statistical analysis is an indispensable component of many industries. A diverse range of government agencies,banks, pharmaceutical companies, consulting firms and financial companies just to name a few provides ample employment opportunities for statisticians. BTW, we need statisticians. everywhere. Check out and upcoming education fair in Sarit centre on 2nd - 5th May 2012 and another one for all public Universities some times June or July. With all these MATHS am not sure that's the way she want to swing, tho she got an A in maths. I will check again with her. Thanks for the education fair dates...will def attend
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 68 Location: kenya
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bkismat wrote:jguru wrote:blackcobra wrote:Also, we tend to concentrate on UON, KU & JKUAT, therefore pushing the cluster points of particular courses very high. We also need to consider other Universities who offer similar or same courses, but cluster points may be lower. Other Universities include: Maseno, JOOST, Masinde Muliro etc Those Unis are not worth the paper they are written on.  What the hell is JOOST? Sorry JOOUST ( Jaramogi Oginga Odinga University of Science and Technology), was just naming some other universities apart from the 3 big brands.We totally miss you coz of clinging to those brands. All programmes offered in Public Universities are fully accredited by CUE and therefore the various certificates fully recognized.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2008 Posts: 478 Location: Old Trafford
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AlphDoti wrote:Bree wrote:AlphDoti wrote:While at it, how you great Wazuans think about this selection with mean grade of A- (AVG 80)?
1. First selection
a). UON - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (47.1)
b). JKUAT - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (46.8)
c). KU - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (46.5)
2. Second selection: MOI - BACHELOR OF ENGINEERING (Electrical and Telecomm. Eng.) (46.5)
3. Third selection: JKUAT - Bachelor of Business Information Technology (BBIT) (45.6)
4. Fourth selection: KU - Bachelor of Science (Energy Engineering) (43.7)
Math (A)
Bio (A)
Chem (A)
His & Gov (A)
Geog (A)
Eng (A-)
Physics (B+)
Kisw (B) She has 45.9 points if you use trhe JAB calculations, thereby may miss on Comp Scie. See it here... JAB Procedure  who's going to pay for parallel now!!! I feel you, they've grown too fast right? ... 
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 68 Location: kenya
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bkismat wrote:jguru wrote:blackcobra wrote:Also, we tend to concentrate on UON, KU & JKUAT, therefore pushing the cluster points of particular courses very high. We also need to consider other Universities who offer similar or same courses, but cluster points may be lower. Other Universities include: Maseno, JOOST, Masinde Muliro etc Those Unis are not worth the paper they are written on. What the hell is JOOST? Sorry JOOUST ( Jaramogi Oginga Odinga University of Science and Technology), was just naming some other universities apart from the 3 big brands.We totally miss you coz of clinging to those brands. All programmes offered in Public Universities are fully accredited by CUE and therefore the various certificates fully recognized.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2008 Posts: 478 Location: Old Trafford
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blackcobra wrote:bkismat wrote:jguru wrote:blackcobra wrote:Also, we tend to concentrate on UON, KU & JKUAT, therefore pushing the cluster points of particular courses very high. We also need to consider other Universities who offer similar or same courses, but cluster points may be lower. Other Universities include: Maseno, JOOST, Masinde Muliro etc Those Unis are not worth the paper they are written on. What the hell is JOOST? Sorry JOOUST ( Jaramogi Oginga Odinga University of Science and Technology), was just naming some other universities apart from the 3 big brands.We totally miss you coz of clinging to those brands. All programmes offered in Public Universities are fully accredited by CUE and therefore the various certificates fully recognized. How would you compare quality+exposure in these 'other' unis? E.g. JOOUST vs UoN?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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Bree wrote:MaichBlack wrote:@AlphDoti - The last time I checked KU was in problems with the Engineering Board for starting Engineering courses without a single qualified lecturer in the areas of specialization, no labs etc. Did they ever sort that out? And how serious is their Computer Science program? KU have a habit of combining classes across departments - even practical oriented units - totally compromising quality!! You might end up with a class of 350 students being taught JAVA with a microphone!!! Do some investigation on these before choosing KU. I've heard of this & been wondering how its practically possible. Quite acceptable esp for JAB tho, where they pay less than 30k a year! OMG, which public uni is better now? KU is terrible! It specialises on QUANTITY! Not QUALITY! Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 68 Location: kenya
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Bree wrote:blackcobra wrote:Bree wrote:254.co.ke wrote:From my own experience! My unsolicited advice would let the girl take what is of interest to her. There are those of us who resisted the temptation of being told which course is better than the other and i have never regretted even once.My take is; if that her choice, the opportunities are immense in both government and private sector-However she need to take a professional course after the undergraduate to remain relevant and gain a competitive edge. I might be castigated on this forum for saying the 'bolded course' ain't even anything much but a degree.You need professional papers to be an Actuary. I could be wrong Are you in the same field? What are these professional papers? My 1st and 2nd degrees are both in Applied statistics, and so far, i do not regret. My changed my course of admission though. Using a variety of commercial software, graduates are expected to analyze real-world data appropriately and communicate their findings effectively.Statistical analysis is an indispensable component of many industries. A diverse range of government agencies,banks, pharmaceutical companies, consulting firms and financial companies just to name a few provides ample employment opportunities for statisticians. BTW, we need statisticians. everywhere. Check out and upcoming education fair in Sarit centre on 2nd - 5th May 2012 and another one for all public Universities some times June or July. With all these MATHS am not sure that's the way she want to swing, tho she got an A in maths. I will check again with her. Thanks for the education fair dates...will def attend Make her attend too and let her ask all the questions she wants and she will make a better choice. The fair comprises of all categories of Universities: Public, Private local Universities and International Universities. I am sure there will be a career adviser in most booths ( I know because i have attended 3 previous fairs-- this is the 15th one, and the experience is a wao factor in terms of info gained). I just wish her all the best in her choice, as i put it before' some decisions are irreversible since time is involved"
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 68 Location: kenya
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Bree wrote:blackcobra wrote:bkismat wrote:jguru wrote:blackcobra wrote:Also, we tend to concentrate on UON, KU & JKUAT, therefore pushing the cluster points of particular courses very high. We also need to consider other Universities who offer similar or same courses, but cluster points may be lower. Other Universities include: Maseno, JOOST, Masinde Muliro etc Those Unis are not worth the paper they are written on. What the hell is JOOST? Sorry JOOUST ( Jaramogi Oginga Odinga University of Science and Technology), was just naming some other universities apart from the 3 big brands.We totally miss you coz of clinging to those brands. All programmes offered in Public Universities are fully accredited by CUE and therefore the various certificates fully recognized. How would you compare quality+exposure in these 'other' unis? E.g. JOOUST vs UoN? My take is ... choice a course of your choice first then choose the University. Quality may even be better in a "fresher" University since they want to build a brand. Those who have already have the advantage of the brand do not really mind since the name sells. The upcoming ones would want to impress. lets not also forget that opportunities may be many in an upcoming University....just my opinion!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 68 Location: kenya
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Bree wrote:blackcobra wrote:bkismat wrote:jguru wrote:blackcobra wrote:Also, we tend to concentrate on UON, KU & JKUAT, therefore pushing the cluster points of particular courses very high. We also need to consider other Universities who offer similar or same courses, but cluster points may be lower. Other Universities include: Maseno, JOOST, Masinde Muliro etc Those Unis are not worth the paper they are written on. What the hell is JOOST? Sorry JOOUST ( Jaramogi Oginga Odinga University of Science and Technology), was just naming some other universities apart from the 3 big brands.We totally miss you coz of clinging to those brands. All programmes offered in Public Universities are fully accredited by CUE and therefore the various certificates fully recognized. How would you compare quality+exposure in these 'other' unis? E.g. JOOUST vs UoN? My take is ... choose a course of your choice first then choose the University. Quality may even be better in a "fresher" University since they want to build a brand. Those who have already have the advantage of the brand do not really mind since the name sells. The upcoming ones would want to impress. lets not also forget that opportunities may be many in an upcoming University....just my opinion!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,468
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Bree wrote:MaichBlack wrote:@AlphDoti - The last time I checked KU was in problems with the Engineering Board for starting Engineering courses without a single qualified lecturer in the areas of specialization, no labs etc. Did they ever sort that out? And how serious is their Computer Science program? KU have a habit of combining classes across departments - even practical oriented units - totally compromising quality!! You might end up with a class of 350 students being taught JAVA with a microphone!!! Do some investigation on these before choosing KU. I've heard of this & been wondering how its practically possible. Quite acceptable esp for JAB tho, where they pay less than 30k a year! OMG, which public uni is better now? University of Nairobi and Jomo Kenyatta still have very solid courses and structures. Dedan Kimathi University [Main University. I have no idea about the campuses] although young is very serious! The former principal [I don't know if he has been made the V.C. yet], Proffesor Kioni is one serious academician and it trickles down to the other staff. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,468
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Bree wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Bree wrote:AlphDoti wrote:While at it, how you great Wazuans think about this selection with mean grade of A- (AVG 80)?
1. First selection
a). UON - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (47.1)
b). JKUAT - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (46.8)
c). KU - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (46.5)
2. Second selection: MOI - BACHELOR OF ENGINEERING (Electrical and Telecomm. Eng.) (46.5)
3. Third selection: JKUAT - Bachelor of Business Information Technology (BBIT) (45.6)
4. Fourth selection: KU - Bachelor of Science (Energy Engineering) (43.7)
Math (A)
Bio (A)
Chem (A)
His & Gov (A)
Geog (A)
Eng (A-)
Physics (B+)
Kisw (B) She has 45.9 points if you use trhe JAB calculations, thereby may miss on Comp Scie. See it here... JAB Procedure who's going to pay for parallel now!!! I feel you, they've grown too fast right? ... @AlphDoti & @Bree - Machinani Universities [University colleges] are far much cheaper than the established ones. Meru university of Science and Technology for example will charge you 55k for a course you'll have to cough approximately 90k at JKUAT or UON. Living expenses [house/hostel, food, miraa etc.] will also be far much cheaper for your kid. But I cannot assure you on the quality and exposure your kid will get. Hapo research ni kwako lakini zingine ni kama tu ka-college. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2008 Posts: 602
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@Alphadoti Quote:AlphDoti wrote:
Bree wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
While at it, how you great Wazuans think about this selection with mean grade of A- (AVG 80)?
1. First selection
a). UON - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (47.1)
b). JKUAT - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (46.8)
c). KU - BACHELOR OF SCIENCE (Computer Science) (46.5)
2. Second selection: MOI - BACHELOR OF ENGINEERING (Electrical and Telecomm. Eng.) (46.5)
3. Third selection: JKUAT - Bachelor of Business Information Technology (BBIT) (45.6)
4. Fourth selection: KU - Bachelor of Science (Energy Engineering) (43.7)
Math (A)
Bio (A)
Chem (A)
His & Gov (A)
Geog (A)
Eng (A-)
Physics (B+)
Kisw (B)
She has 45.9 points if you use trhe JAB calculations, thereby may miss on Comp Scie. See it here... JAB Procedure
Pray Pray who's going to pay for parallel now!!!
I feel you, they've grown too fast right? ...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly CAUTION: avoid K.U, Egerton and MMUST for all engineering courses. to date, neither E.B.K( formely E.R.B) nor I.E.K has accredited them. they have a court case and former students are the ones suffering. THEY CANT GET REGISTERED!!! "The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Ilikeyou wrote:On other related matter, I have noted in atleast 3 universities,most of students taking BCOM avoid accounting specialization in 3rd year.
Finance option has become very common. I 'd however advise it is better to appreciate to prepare FS [as per accounting option] before they embark on analysing FS to assist in decision making on Financing, Dividend,Investment and Working capital management [Finance option] @Ilikeyou most people do not take Bcom (Accounting option) simply because one does not qualify as an accountant with this option.. In fact it is illegal to employ this person as an auditor or a tax accountant! Most students who want to be accountants take the professional course ie ACCA/CPA and then proceed to join Bcom exempt in 3rd year and opt for the finance options to avoid wasting money on duplication! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Bree wrote:This girl got an A- in KCSE 2012 & is very keen on taking Bachelor of Economics & Statistics course at UoN/KU. I have researched on the course, what it entails and possible career positions, but I found it a bit vague. Please advice if it’s best to go ahead, why and what will she become after graduating 4yrs later. Where will she get her internship, job? & the overall question, is it good as a career choice? Asanteni I would advise her to take Bachelor of Commerce @ UoN - Business School. In her 3rd year, she can either decide to specialize in Business Information Systems, Accounting, Finance, Human Resources, Marketing, Management Science etc. This degree generally offers a wide range of career possibilities than Economics & Statistics...add few certifications and you can do anything. actually you will find lots of Statistics with Bcomm-Management Science i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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mkonomtupu wrote:Bree wrote:This girl got an A- in KCSE 2012 & is very keen on taking Bachelor of Economics & Statistics course at UoN/KU. I have researched on the course, what it entails and possible career positions, but I found it a bit vague. Please advice if it’s best to go ahead, why and what will she become after graduating 4yrs later. Where will she get her internship, job? & the overall question, is it good as a career choice? Asanteni I wanted to study economics but my old man told me "well it wont make you rich but at least you will understand why we are poor"...never forgot those words wise words indeed. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Bree wrote:This girl got an A- in KCSE 2012 & is very keen on taking Bachelor of Economics & Statistics course at UoN/KU. I have researched on the course, what it entails and possible career positions, but I found it a bit vague. Please advice if it’s best to go ahead, why and what will she become after graduating 4yrs later. Where will she get her internship, job? & the overall question, is it good as a career choice? Asanteni The highlighted should be your guiding statement. If this is what she is really interested in, the rest are details. If you feel that she is making this choice out of lack of information or other influences, take time to seek out a career adviser and introduce her to him/her ...then let them talk freely without you applying pressure or influence. Don't worry about this too much.She is young, this is an evolving Kenya with options diversifying everyday - she can correct career mis-steps in the future without too much loss unlike our generation where you needed to choose very carefully.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/26/2008 Posts: 384
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Let her follow her dream, I had several classmates who quit after second year because they followed their parents' orders....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Her OWN dream!! What you are doing now is trying to live your dream through her. Stop it! Let her make her own decisions and let her make her own mistakes! You made yours; now it's her turn.
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