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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 1,590
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Accounting for 75% of the education budget. Hopefully the dynamic duo will use the rest of this year to manage expectations downwards on this gimmick. Link http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/god8rhz/-/index.htmlSehemu ndio nyumba
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,185 Location: nairobi
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Priorities upside down. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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This was a big goof and should be immediately dropped, it's simply not a priority!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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I support this project.
And....It will happen..... just watch this space.
Kenya will not be the first country to implement this. It has been done elsewhere.
The article is just alarmist. How did the writer get shs 200 Billion?
700,000 pupils x shs 10,000 each = Shs 7 Billion in 2014.
After 8 years of implementation it will be circa shs 60 Billion.
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"The Treasury has indicated that it expects to buy the computers at between Sh8,500 and Sh12,750."
The writer then goes ahead to use shs 35,000 retail price x 700,000 x 8 years to to get shs 200 Billion.... SIMPLY ALARMIST.
Shs 200 Billion to be spent in 8 year not 1 year and at retail price of shs 35,000 per laptop.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,909
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The other method to employ is do it in phases within the counties and set excellence centres. this is achievable if well managed. but Kenyans known for their eating habits eeeeeeeeh........... In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 280
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We do not need to give every std one pupil a Laptop. Better we have all primary schools and secondary schools with proper computer labs so that ALL pupils/students can access technology. It is easier to administer and provide the skills required. DOH
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Bachuma Gate wrote:We do not need to give every std one pupil a Laptop. Better we have all primary schools and secondary schools with proper computer labs so that ALL pupils/students can access technology. It is easier to administer and provide the skills required. Very well put, we don't have to do it because we goofed and promised it to win votes!!! ...@Liv, where in the world has been done to a whole country???......don't quote funded projects in a few schools!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2011 Posts: 176
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Bachuma Gate wrote:We do not need to give every std one pupil a Laptop. Better we have all primary schools and secondary schools with proper computer labs so that ALL pupils/students can access technology. It is easier to administer and provide the skills required. have you seen the kind of equipment in our engineering classes at public universities? isn't it a joke that a young child will have been exposed to a laptop at an early age only to end up mastering his trade at university with obsolete technology. 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 1,590
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Livie- Is this highest priority even within the education sector? Something like 30% to 40% of schools have substandard accommodation. There is a 80,000 teacher shortage. You can hire something like 42,000 new teachers paying each 40k with that Ksh200bn. Most teachers have basic computing knowledge. More so those teaching lower primary years. Is it fair to only give the laptops to new kids (return won't been seen for another 18 years unlike Kibaki's free primary whose returns were seen within 4 years). What about equipping schools with better science (agriculture) laboratories so we can produce more scientists with solutions to some of our perennial problems? What about books? I appreciate you are very attached to the new pres (was that you featured on KTN photographers by the way?), but jameni... Liv wrote:I support this project.
And....It will happen..... just watch this space.
Kenya will not be the first country to implement this. It has been done elsewhere.
The article is just alarmist. How did the writer get shs 200 Billion?
700,000 pupils x shs 10,000 each = Shs 7 Billion in 2014.
After 8 years of implementation it will be circa shs 60 Billion.
Quoted from article
"The Treasury has indicated that it expects to buy the computers at between Sh8,500 and Sh12,750."
The writer then goes ahead to use shs 35,000 retail price x 700,000 x 8 years to to get shs 200 Billion.... SIMPLY ALARMIST.
Shs 200 Billion to be spent in 8 year not 1 year and at retail price of shs 35,000 per laptop. Sehemu ndio nyumba
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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[quote=Mainat]Livie- Is this highest priority even within the education sector? Something like 30% to 40% of schools have substandard accommodation. There is a 80,000 teacher shortage. You can hire something like 42,000 new teachers paying each 40k with that Ksh200bn. Most teachers have basic computing knowledge. More so those teaching lower primary years. Is it fair to only give the laptops to new kids (return won't been seen for another 18 years unlike Kibaki's free primary whose returns were seen within 4 years). What about equipping schools with better science (agriculture) laboratories so we can produce more scientists with solutions to some of our perennial problems? What about books?
I appreciate you are very attached to the new pres (was that you featured on KTN photographers by the way?), but jameni...
@Maina,
1) I was not the one featured on KTN.
2) In 2014 the government will only spend about shs 5 billion maximum on this project and not shs 200 Billion as indicated in that article. The article is just alarmist. Do your math.
That does not mean that other activities like hiring of teachers will not take place. There should be a budget for that too.
The main thing for this project is to ensure that the content in the laptops is well done and updated..... and government will save on new books every year.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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@Liv, Just like the BVR kits....the laptops will not be found at that quoted price!!! ......why didn't they even opt for the cheapest of kindles!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/16/2012 Posts: 660
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We spend KSh 6.1 Billion on BVR kits that did actually malfunction. This is a project that will add HUGE number on our national debt, with no positive addition to our well being as a nation. Will these be locally manufactured ? Which ministries/GoK departments will have their budgets cut to accommodate this expense ? The current education budget will increase by 200Bn [ or another number billions nonetheless depending on how it is implemented], what are the new checks and measures put in place to tame corruption which has been a stain on the noble FPE programme ? After sales service for these machines.. is it guaranteed ? What about those areas where there are no chairs/desks/tables...? mlennyma wrote:Priorities upside down. So many questions unanswered. Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=Mainat]Accounting for 75% of the education budget. Hopefully the dynamic duo will use the rest of this year to manage expectations downwards on this gimmick. Link http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/god8rhz/-/index.html[/quote] That figure is sooooooo exaggerated! The numgers in that story simply don't add up..... The 200b figure only appears in the headline! it is not anywhere else in the story...
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 280
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gregory wrote:Bachuma Gate wrote:We do not need to give every std one pupil a Laptop. Better we have all primary schools and secondary schools with proper computer labs so that ALL pupils/students can access technology. It is easier to administer and provide the skills required. have you seen the kind of equipment in our engineering classes at public universities? isn't it a joke that a young child will have been exposed to a laptop at an early age only to end up mastering his trade at university with obsolete technology. Gregory -- What would you advocate for ?. Above in my opinion is what would be best as opposed to giving EVERY standard 1 pupil in the country a laptop. DOH
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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Guys, cut this gava some slack. I think their proposals are achievable and very good for Kenya. I did not vote for Uhuruto but I decided to do some research on their most hair brained (in my opinion) proposal so far..... that of a laptop for every child, and these are the points I came up with. 1. The current education system is obsolete. If at all a good education is meant to prepare one for a future that is 20 yrs away, we cannot continue learning like we used to 50 yrs ago. 2. Computers are here to stay and will permeate every level of society. 3. You do not need a teacher to teach children how to use a computer. All I know about computers is self taught and I am sure it is so for very many people. 4. 1 teacher can reach many more pupils if each pupil has a computer. Computer based exams will not require a teacher to mark every single paper thus more time can be used to interact with the pupils. There are so many other reasons which i will not post. I have posted links to some Ted talks on this issue. Please listen with an objective mind. I feel the need should be to focus on the possibilities openned up by having each cjhild have a computer as opposed to not having one. Trying to distribute a computer to every pupil is of course a lucrative money eating avenue, but then again, so is trying to distribute text books and other learning materials. If money will be eaten.... which is obvious it will, let it be eaten while doing worthwhile things. http://www.ted.com/talks...chool_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...e_laptop_per_child.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...child_two_years_on.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...reinvent_education.html
These are just examples of some very informative talks on the future of learning. Many others abound and they all point to one thing ...... education as we know it and the learning process as currently practiced is not just broken but is totally obsolete. We have no reason to continue this way. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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Guys, cut this gava some slack. I think their proposals are achievable and very good for Kenya. I did not vote for Uhuruto but I decided to do some research on their most hair brained (in my opinion) proposal so far..... that of a laptop for every child, and these are the points I came up with. 1. The current education system is obsolete. If at all a good education is meant to prepare one for a future that is 20 yrs away, we cannot continue learning like we used to 50 yrs ago. 2. Computers are here to stay and will permeate every level of society. 3. You do not need a teacher to teach children how to use a computer. All I know about computers is self taught and I am sure it is so for very many people. 4. 1 teacher can reach many more pupils if each pupil has a computer. Computer based exams will not require a teacher to mark every single paper thus more time can be used to interact with the pupils. There are so many other reasons which i will not post. I have posted links to some Ted talks on this issue. Please listen with an objective mind. I feel the need should be to focus on the possibilities openned up by having each cjhild have a computer as opposed to not having one. Trying to distribute a computer to every pupil is of course a lucrative money eating avenue, but then again, so is trying to distribute text books and other learning materials. If money will be eaten.... which is obvious it will, let it be eaten while doing worthwhile things. http://www.ted.com/talks...chool_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...e_laptop_per_child.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...child_two_years_on.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...reinvent_education.html
These are just examples of some very informative talks on the future of learning. Many others abound and they all point to one thing ...... education as we know it and the learning process as currently practiced is not just broken but is totally obsolete. We have no reason to continue this way. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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tom_boy wrote:Guys, cut this gava some slack. I think their proposals are achievable and very good for Kenya. I did not vote for Uhuruto but I decided to do some research on their most hair brained (in my opinion) proposal so far..... that of a laptop for every child, and these are the points I came up with. 1. The current education system is obsolete. If at all a good education is meant to prepare one for a future that is 20 yrs away, we cannot continue learning like we used to 50 yrs ago. 2. Computers are here to stay and will permeate every level of society. 3. You do not need a teacher to teach children how to use a computer. All I know about computers is self taught and I am sure it is so for very many people. 4. 1 teacher can reach many more pupils if each pupil has a computer. Computer based exams will not require a teacher to mark every single paper thus more time can be used to interact with the pupils. There are so many other reasons which i will not post. I have posted links to some Ted talks on this issue. Please listen with an objective mind. I feel the need should be to focus on the possibilities openned up by having each cjhild have a computer as opposed to not having one. Trying to distribute a computer to every pupil is of course a lucrative money eating avenue, but then again, so is trying to distribute text books and other learning materials. If money will be eaten.... which is obvious it will, let it be eaten while doing worthwhile things. http://www.ted.com/talks...chool_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...e_laptop_per_child.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...child_two_years_on.html
http://www.ted.com/talks...reinvent_education.html
These are just examples of some very informative talks on the future of learning. Many others abound and they all point to one thing ...... education as we know it and the learning process as currently practiced is not just broken but is totally obsolete. We have no reason to continue this way. @Tomboy.
You are right. This project is supposed to re-engineer the Education system in Kenya.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2010 Posts: 806 Location: Nairobi
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Sometimes a good leader must recognise when they have erred and reverse their decisions even if it will cost them an arm and a leg.
Given the state of our educational system, its simply a great idea at the wrong time.
Lets not use the state of urban schools to extrapolate to the village schools...their priorities are a million miles apart.
And for the starving families...the laptop will be sold on the first day it is issued!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,185 Location: nairobi
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Never run your family like other families,kenya has its unique challenges and telling us it has been done elsewhere is crap,whats our wage bill?how much is our bloated parliament demanding as salary?whats our teacher pupil ratio?whats our healthcare situation?the gvt has not paid teacher pensioners who retired 10yrs ago?whats our police civilian ratio?how much is the devolved gvt asking in extra funding?...and more examples..simply its not a bad project but not a priority. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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winston wrote:Sometimes a good leader must recognise when they have erred and reverse their decisions even if it will cost them an arm and a leg.
Given the state of our educational system, its simply a great idea at the wrong time.
Lets not use the state of urban schools to extrapolate to the village schools...their priorities are a million miles apart.
And for the starving families...the laptop will be sold on the first day it is issued!
When forming nation wide policy, one cannot afford to look at every nitty gritty of how a proposal will be implemented. If a family is starving, let the ministry in charge of the factors leading to their starvation do its job. One cannot deny other children an opportunity of enhanced education just because some will not grab the advantage and run with it. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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