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Pope Francis - Servant Leadership
tycho
#111 Posted : Monday, April 01, 2013 9:46:40 AM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
tycho wrote:
God's will is that we should be in a mutually gratifying relationship. That we should be able to give the best of ourselves and what we have received from him, freely and joyfully.

His will is to be a Kingdom of eternal goodness.

tychn if You dont know there is no harm in not speaking. After all you are hardly all knowing. In psalms 40 a messianic psalm in verse 8 is mentioned gods will and also his law. One will be desperately stupid to ignore the connection. I told you tre anti christ is very busy studying his king james bible while you are hallucinating about gods will.


I delight to do His will, and His law is in my heart. And though the Anti Christ may be reading a Bible translation commissioned by an earthly King, I will always triumph because My ear is tuned to the Most high and not simply to other scholars and their political machinations.

You should bear the responsibility of challenging validity of arguments instead of coming to me with memory verses. I have been reciting them for long enough.
symbols
#112 Posted : Monday, April 01, 2013 12:18:01 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
In psalms 40


Verse:11-12
Quote:

O Lord, you do not withhold your compassion from me.

May your loyal love and faithfulness continually protect me!

12:For innumerable dangers surround me.

My sins overtake me

so I am unable to see;

they outnumber the hairs of my head

so my strength fails me.

Verse:16
Quote:

May all those who seek you be happy and rejoice in you!

May those who love to experience your deliverance say continually,

“May the Lord be praised!”



Such is the love of God.What else should I have to worry about except truthfully seeking the heart of God.

AC - If I'm starting a discussion with you on religion,lets start with faith and your understanding of it because eventually that's where we'll end up.

symbols
#113 Posted : Monday, April 01, 2013 12:26:37 PM
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tycho wrote:

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.


I agree.If all religions can't live in peace side by side with each other then all religions will be eradicated.
tycho
#114 Posted : Monday, April 01, 2013 2:35:41 PM
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symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.


I agree.If all religions can't live in peace side by side with each other then all religions will be eradicated.


Human Being is about eternal transformation of consciousness, and where the ultimate is, 'shining like the Sun'; reflecting the most High in Ultimate splendor.

'Present' world religions are bursting at their seams. The Lama is setting himself ablaze, the Muslim is in the thick of things, a victim here a villain there, and the Christian is suffering from an unconscious atheism. How can such entities exist side by side in peace?

Only personal transformation into Christ consciousness, and the consequent being the Christ; Man God, will peace be found, and a new Jerusalem be founded.




AlphDoti
#115 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:29:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.

I agree.If all religions can't live in peace side by side with each other then all religions will be eradicated.

Human Being is about eternal transformation of consciousness, and where the ultimate is, 'shining like the Sun'; reflecting the most High in Ultimate splendor.

'Present' world religions are bursting at their seams. The Lama is setting himself ablaze, the Muslim is in the thick of things, a victim here a villain there, and the Christian is suffering from an unconscious atheism. How can such entities exist side by side in peace?

Only personal transformation into Christ consciousness, and the consequent being the Christ; Man God, will peace be found, and a new Jerusalem be founded.

@tycho two questions:
1. You mentioned "Christ". Who is he according to you?
2. Which thick of things are Muslims in?

These entities can exist side by side.
Please appreciate the parting of ways Shame on you Shame on you
If you do not know, then ask.

The parting of ways brother is that most of Christians almost all.
- they believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God
- They believe he claimed divinity
tycho
#116 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:33:00 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.

I agree.If all religions can't live in peace side by side with each other then all religions will be eradicated.

Human Being is about eternal transformation of consciousness, and where the ultimate is, 'shining like the Sun'; reflecting the most High in Ultimate splendor.

'Present' world religions are bursting at their seams. The Lama is setting himself ablaze, the Muslim is in the thick of things, a victim here a villain there, and the Christian is suffering from an unconscious atheism. How can such entities exist side by side in peace?

Only personal transformation into Christ consciousness, and the consequent being the Christ; Man God, will peace be found, and a new Jerusalem be founded.

@tycho two questions:
1. You mentioned "Christ". Who is he according to you?
2. Which thick of things are Muslims in?

These entities can exist side by side.
Please appreciate the parting of ways Shame on you Shame on you
If you do not know, then ask.

The parting of ways brother is that most of Christians almost all.
- they believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God
- They believe he claimed divinity


The Christ is an act of God to Man, through Man, aimed at raising human being to its original relationship with God.

The Christ is being in the God desired relationship, and being a frame of reference for others; all at the same time.

Islam is a force in the present world and is equally responsible for the prevailing crises.

The disjunction btn Islam and Christianity favors neither party, and is based on misunderstanding.
AlphDoti
#117 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:42:38 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.

I agree.If all religions can't live in peace side by side with each other then all religions will be eradicated.

Human Being is about eternal transformation of consciousness, and where the ultimate is, 'shining like the Sun'; reflecting the most High in Ultimate splendor.

'Present' world religions are bursting at their seams. The Lama is setting himself ablaze, the Muslim is in the thick of things, a victim here a villain there, and the Christian is suffering from an unconscious atheism. How can such entities exist side by side in peace?

Only personal transformation into Christ consciousness, and the consequent being the Christ; Man God, will peace be found, and a new Jerusalem be founded.

@tycho two questions:
1. You mentioned "Christ". Who is he according to you?
2. Which thick of things are Muslims in?

These entities can exist side by side.
Please appreciate the parting of ways Shame on you Shame on you
If you do not know, then ask.

The parting of ways brother is that most of Christians almost all.
- they believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God
- They believe he claimed divinity


The Christ is an act of God to Man, through Man, aimed at raising human being to its original relationship with God.

The Christ is being in the God desired relationship, and being a frame of reference for others; all at the same time.

Did you come up with this name "Christ"? I mean it is your own original idea?

tycho wrote:
Islam is a force in the present world and is equally responsible for the prevailing crises.

Please explain how is that... Think

tycho wrote:
The disjunction btn Islam and Christianity favors neither party, and is based on misunderstanding.

It is still almost the only difference. Don't you think?
tycho
#118 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:13:31 PM
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AlphDoti, you only need to look at the Scripture to see that I am saying nothing new.

To create a civilization, a people have to 'ascend' to certain values that are meant to satisfy human existential needs, which include Spirituality and identity. Islam has been and still is a civilizing force. Meaning it aspires to answer humanity's biggest questions. Looking at our 'present' world, one can easily see that not even Islam can quench humanity's thirst for peace and excellence. Its attempts at growth have come with a tacit denial of Christ (his Divinity), and has contributed to a 'Jihad' that has embraced violence even against its adherents. Eg. Terrorism, violence and hostility against Christians, and a resultant hesitation in leading in science and technology despite its glorious past.
AlphDoti
#119 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:36:02 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti, you only need to look at the Scripture to see that I am saying nothing new.

To create a civilization, a people have to 'ascend' to certain values that are meant to satisfy human existential needs, which include Spirituality and identity. Islam has been and still is a civilizing force. Meaning it aspires to answer humanity's biggest questions. Looking at our 'present' world, one can easily see that not even Islam can quench humanity's thirst for peace and excellence. Its attempts at growth have come with a tacit denial of Christ (his Divinity), and has contributed to a 'Jihad' that has embraced violence even against its adherents. Eg. Terrorism, violence and hostility against Christians, and a resultant hesitation in leading in science and technology despite its glorious past.

@tycho on the contrary Islam has solution for all humanity's biggest problems. Name one which it cannot.

Did you say denial of Christ?
Which Christ? If you're talking about Jesus Christ, the I'll tell you that you're lying there.
I asked a quesiton about this name and you have chosen to avoid answering.

I have always told you how Muslims love Jesus Christ. I say alot about this. Tell me if you want me to expound.

About Christ's divinity
it's true Islam denies this. Tell me if you want me to prove it.

Now about jihad
and your allegation that it embraces violence e.g. Terrorism, violence and hostility etc

A man of your calibre with such knowledge
...can easily understand that is a great misconception as far as Jihad in Islam is concerned.

I wrote about this a while back but I can say it again...

This misconception
is not only among the non-Muslims, even among the Muslims.

They think that any war faught
by any Muslim, for any reason, whether for person gain, whether be fame, whether be for money.
Jihad does not mean any war faught by Muslim.
Jihad comes from the Arabic word Jahada, which means to strive, to struggle.
- In Islamic context it means to strive against ones own evil inclinations.
- It also means to strive to make the society better.
- It also means to strive in the battle field for self defense.
- It also means to fight against tirant opression.

Jihad basically means to strive, it means to struggle.

Jihad is not terrorism:
It is to be emphasized that terrorism against the innocent civilians, whether through aggression or suicidal means, is under no circumstances permissible in Islam.

Islam encourages the oppressed people to struggle for their liberation and it commands other Muslims to help those who are oppressed and suffering.

But Islam does not allow, under any circumstance, terrorism against non-combatants and innocent people.

Terrorism is not Jihad
Terrorism is Fasad (mischief).
It is against the teachings of Islam.
There are some people who use their twisted arguments to justify terrorism for their causes, but it has no justification.
God says: Quran chapter 2:11-12: When it is said to them: 'Make not mischief on the earth,' they say: 'Why, we only want to correct things.' Indeed they are the mischief doers, but they realize (it) not.
symbols
#120 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:08:39 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Islam has solution for all humanity's biggest problems. Name one which it cannot.

What are humanity's biggest problems and what solutions does Islam offer that other religions can't offer?
AlphDoti wrote:

Did you say denial of Christ?
Which Christ? If you're talking about Jesus Christ, the I'll tell you that you're lying there.
I asked a quesiton about this name and you have chosen to avoid answering.

What's wrong with the Christ?My understanding is that Christ means Messiah.Thus Jesus the Messiah.
AlphDoti wrote:

About Christ's divinity
it's true Islam denies this. Tell me if you want me to prove it.

Now this can't be resolved.Both sides will use different scriptures.

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