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Pope Francis - Servant Leadership
symbols
#101 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 1:00:13 PM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
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AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
Submit to the will of God.What is the will of God?

We are dialoguing remember? We are not arguing.

I bet you have not read my post Pray Pray

I have read yours.I doubt you understand mine.I'm not arguing just extracting information from you.I put aside the issues concerning Jesus and concentrated on the message.We've concluded he said we submit to the will of God(but it should be of the Father),as such I asked you,what is the will of God?


This is the will
To bear witness that there's non to be worshipped except the creator, Almighty God.

See what Moses (Peace be upon him) said
Consistent with the first commandment given to Moses.
- "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

See what Jesus (peace be upon him) said
Consistent with the first commandment that Jesus Christ also said is the greatest of the commanemnet,
- "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one."

- Absolute One,
- not the number one,
- not the number one that can be divided into one, two & three
- not number one that can be multiplied
- But absolutellye one, having no ine besides, no other God besides.

- "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
->Love the Lord your God with all your heart
->and with all your soul
->and with all your mind
->and with all your strength."


Such said moses, such said Jesus, such said the Quran.


Yes they said that,but is that the will of God?

Quote:

This is the will
To bear witness that there's non to be worshipped except the creator, Almighty God.
tycho
#102 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 2:55:32 PM
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God's will is that we should be in a mutually gratifying relationship. That we should be able to give the best of ourselves and what we have received from him, freely and joyfully.

His will is to be a Kingdom of eternal goodness.
symbols
#103 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:04:34 PM
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tycho wrote:
God's will is that we should be in a mutually gratifying. That we should be able to give the best of ourselves and what we have received from him, freely and joyfully.

His will is to be a Kingdom of eternal goodness.

Then the final question is,what is goodness?
tycho
#104 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:26:51 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
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Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
God's will is that we should be in a mutually gratifying. That we should be able to give the best of ourselves and what we have received from him, freely and joyfully.

His will is to be a Kingdom of eternal goodness.

Then the final question is,what is goodness?


Goodness is eternal being in perfect reflection.
AlphDoti
#105 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:48:50 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
Submit to the will of God.What is the will of God?

We are dialoguing remember? We are not arguing.

I bet you have not read my post Pray Pray

I have read yours.I doubt you understand mine.I'm not arguing just extracting information from you.I put aside the issues concerning Jesus and concentrated on the message.We've concluded he said we submit to the will of God(but it should be of the Father),as such I asked you,what is the will of God?


This is the will
To bear witness that there's non to be worshipped except the creator, Almighty God.

See what Moses (Peace be upon him) said
Consistent with the first commandment given to Moses.
- "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

See what Jesus (peace be upon him) said
Consistent with the first commandment that Jesus Christ also said is the greatest of the commanemnet,
- "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one."

- Absolute One,
- not the number one,
- not the number one that can be divided into one, two & three
- not number one that can be multiplied
- But absolutellye one, having no ine besides, no other God besides.

- "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
->Love the Lord your God with all your heart
->and with all your soul
->and with all your mind
->and with all your strength."


Such said moses, such said Jesus, such said the Quran.

Yes they said that,but is that the will of God?
Quote:

This is the will
To bear witness that there's non to be worshipped except the creator, Almighty God.

First
You know God is wise. So He has not created anything in vain.

Quran tells us He created things for wise reasons and purposes.
God says in Quran suran Anbiya 21:16 that He has not created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, for mere play.

Secondly
Allah says He has not created man to eat, and drink and and multiply, like the animals.

His Will is...
“And I (Allah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)” [Quran sura Dhaariyaat 51:56]

So what is your goal?
"Most exalted is the One in whose hands is all kingship, and He is Omnipotent. The One who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. He is the Almighty, the Forgiving" Quran sura 67:1-2
tycho
#106 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:11:39 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
It is clear that the only contention that Truth can have against Islam, is on the Divinity of Christ.

The fact that the title 'Messiah' is attributed to him, and that he is the way is uncontested, and that he 'ascended', and will return to rule, are adequate reasons to show his Divinity.

And this Divinity is possible only with the presence of the Holy Spirit, and hence, the Trinity.

My understanding of the bone of contention between Islam and Christianity is that each side is holding the ends of a rope and pulling away from each other.

Yes. The Christ was a Man and prophet, and thus also a Pilgrim on the Straight and 'Stony' path; but his status as Messiah could only be established if he had in fact achieved the highest crown(salvation itself).

The Christian has been enchanted with the Glory of Christ and has forgotten that he must bear his cross daily, while the Muslim has ignored the fact that the 'Messiah' must have tasted the ultimate. Divinity.

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.
AlphDoti
#107 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:28:08 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
tycho wrote:
It is clear that the only contention that Truth can have against Islam, is on the Divinity of Christ.

The fact that the title 'Messiah' is attributed to him, and that he is the way is uncontested, and that he 'ascended', and will return to rule, are adequate reasons to show his Divinity.

And this Divinity is possible only with the presence of the Holy Spirit, and hence, the Trinity.

My understanding of the bone of contention between Islam and Christianity is that each side is holding the ends of a rope and pulling away from each other.

Yes. The Christ was a Man and prophet, and thus also a Pilgrim on the Straight and 'Stony' path; but his status as Messiah could only be established if he had in fact achieved the highest crown(salvation itself).

The Christian has been enchanted with the Glory of Christ and has forgotten that he must bear his cross daily, while the Muslim has ignored the fact that the 'Messiah' must have tasted the ultimate. Divinity.

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.

@tycho, do you really know what "divinity" means?
Do you know when this concept came up?
tycho
#108 Posted : Monday, April 01, 2013 2:37:31 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
It is clear that the only contention that Truth can have against Islam, is on the Divinity of Christ.

The fact that the title 'Messiah' is attributed to him, and that he is the way is uncontested, and that he 'ascended', and will return to rule, are adequate reasons to show his Divinity.

And this Divinity is possible only with the presence of the Holy Spirit, and hence, the Trinity.

My understanding of the bone of contention between Islam and Christianity is that each side is holding the ends of a rope and pulling away from each other.

Yes. The Christ was a Man and prophet, and thus also a Pilgrim on the Straight and 'Stony' path; but his status as Messiah could only be established if he had in fact achieved the highest crown(salvation itself).

The Christian has been enchanted with the Glory of Christ and has forgotten that he must bear his cross daily, while the Muslim has ignored the fact that the 'Messiah' must have tasted the ultimate. Divinity.

But to me, Christianity and Islam have no basis for contention.

@tycho, do you really know what "divinity" means?
Do you know when this concept came up?


Yes. I am aware of what 'Divinity' means. I am also aware that the word, and its essential meaning, of transcendance of human and earthly nature, and specifically the nature of God and eternal Truth, goes back to the Ancient of Days. It is something beyond religion or sect or any specific culture or time.
Annti_Christy
#109 Posted : Monday, April 01, 2013 7:29:28 AM
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Joined: 8/27/2012
Posts: 320
tycho wrote:
God's will is that we should be in a mutually gratifying relationship. That we should be able to give the best of ourselves and what we have received from him, freely and joyfully.

His will is to be a Kingdom of eternal goodness.

tychn if You dont know there is no harm in not speaking. After all you are hardly all knowing. In psalms 40 a messianic psalm in verse 8 is mentioned gods will and also his law. One will be desperately stupid to ignore the connection. I told you tre anti christ is very busy studying his king james bible while you are hallucinating about gods will.
Light Bearer
Annti_Christy
#110 Posted : Monday, April 01, 2013 7:59:54 AM
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Posts: 320
symbols wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:

i thought so. It doesn suprise me one bit at all. Despite the lofty titles we give ourselves we are still man made of dirt and not omniscient. Pow!


You speak as if dirt is inferior to man.Now let me present a question to you,was Christ omniscient and if the answer is yes,why did he say he didn't know the day or hour of his return?

oh brother! Dirt, dust, clay, soil, matope, udongo, ardhi whatever synonym you want. Now please provide book chapter and verse. We can go through all he said. I feel odd explaining scripture to doubting christians. Ad rather explain to
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