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1.Whatever the religion,if you believe that there is a God who reigns supreme,then that implies submission.
2.If you believe this God is good,then there is no goodness greater than love.What wouldn't a parent do for their child?
3.So the answer is to humbly submit yourself into the service of this God.What service?Loving Him and His creation as He does.
Simplified,humility and love.What religion doesn't cater for that?But in this dog eat dog world,a man's man is defined by arrogance and aggression.Don't take God's kindness for weakness.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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thuks wrote:I guess the right way is what is common in all religions. The rest are details to keep the congregation unique The Bible, in its present form, confirms that seeking the truth is the main cause for salvation. It states in John 8:32:“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” But...  Muslims believe that the existing form of the Bible contains facts of the original truth though it has been significantly altered.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:thuks wrote:I guess the right way is what is common in all religions. The rest are details to keep the congregation unique The Bible, in its present form, confirms that seeking the truth is the main cause for salvation. It states in John 8:32:“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” But... Muslims believe that the existing form of the Bible contains facts of the original truth though it has been significantly altered. And what is the original truth?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:1.Whatever the religion,if you believe that there is a God who reigns supreme,then that implies submission.
2.If you believe this God is good,then there is no goodness greater than love.What wouldn't a parent do for their child?
3.So the answer is to humbly submit yourself into the service of this God.What service?Loving Him and His creation as He does.
Simplified,humility and love.What religion doesn't cater for that?But in this dog eat dog world,a man's man is defined by arrogance and aggression.Don't take God's kindness for weakness. @symbols if Pope were submitting to God, serving God in truth, then he would be following God's commandment. He would be following God's messengers like Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). Now if you read the Bible, there are saying of Jesus Christ. I hope you are well versed with the Bible. All these saying of Jesus Christ (pbuh) are in " red-letter". Brother, the Pope believes that Jesus to be GodI believe most of Christians believe this too. I'm not saying that they know, I'm saying they believe. Let me clarify something before we continue. I don't want you to misunderstand me. As a Muslim, I mean Islam is the only none-Christian faith, which makes it an act of Faith to believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh). We believe that- Jesus was one of the mightiest messenger of God. - We believe that he was born miraculously without any male intervention. - We believe that he was the "Messiah" translated "Christ" - We believe he gave life to the death with God's permission. - We beleive he healed those born blind and deaf and lepers with God's permission. Here, the Christians and Muslims are going together.So you ask, where is the parting of the ways?The parting of ways brother is that most of Christians almost all. - they believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God - They believe he claimed divinity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:1.Whatever the religion,if you believe that there is a God who reigns supreme,then that implies submission.
2.If you believe this God is good,then there is no goodness greater than love.What wouldn't a parent do for their child?
3.So the answer is to humbly submit yourself into the service of this God.What service?Loving Him and His creation as He does.
Simplified,humility and love.What religion doesn't cater for that?But in this dog eat dog world,a man's man is defined by arrogance and aggression.Don't take God's kindness for weakness. @symbols if Pope were submitting to God, serving God in truth, then he would be following God's commandment. He would be following God's messengers like Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). Now if you read the Bible, there are saying of Jesus Christ. I hope you are well versed with the Bible. All these saying of Jesus Christ (pbuh) are in " red-letter". Brother, the Pope believes that Jesus to be GodI believe most of Christians believe this too. I'm not saying that they know, I'm saying they believe. Let me clarify something before we continue. I don't want you to misunderstand me. As a Muslim, I mean Islam is the only none-Christian faith, which makes it an act of Faith to believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ (pbuh). We believe that- Jesus was one of the mightiest messenger of God. - We believe that he was born miraculously without any male intervention. - We believe that he was the "Messiah" translated "Christ" - We believe he gave life to the death with God's permission. - We beleive he healed those born blind and deaf and lepers with God's permission. Here, the Christians and Muslims are going together.So you ask, where is the parting of the ways?The parting of ways brother is that most of Christians almost all. - they believe that Jesus Christ (pbuh) is Almighty God - They believe he claimed divinity I'm not asking about parting of ways,I'm asking what was the message?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:I'm not asking about parting of ways, I'm asking what was the message? @symbols you are asking about the message? Here was the message... When you read the Bible, there is not a single unambigious statement in the complete Bible where Jesus Christ (pbuh) himself said - that I'm God - or worship me Infact when you read the Bible, Jesus Christ (pbuh) says:1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Father is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. So Jesus Christ submits to the will of God.6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father." 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: " It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'" 8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: " Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: Question is, are you doing God's Will?John 14:24 - Jesus says: The words that you hear are not mine, but Father's, whom he has sent me. Acts 2:22 - It says: You men of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God AMONGST YOU by wonders and miracles and signs, which God did by him.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:I'm not asking about parting of ways, I'm asking what was the message? @symbols you are asking about the message? Here was the message... When you read the Bible, there is not a single unambigious statement in the complete Bible where Jesus Christ (pbuh) himself said - that I'm God - or worship me Infact when you read the Bible, Jesus Christ (pbuh) says:1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I. 2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Father is greater than all. 3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God. 4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils. 5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father. Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God. Jesus Christ (pbuh) says, not my will but God's will. So Jesus Christ submits to the will of God.6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father." 7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: " It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'" 8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: " Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." NOTE: Not my will, but God's will 9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. NOTE: Question is, are you doing God's Will?John 14:24 - Jesus says: The words that you hear are not mine, but Father's, whom he has sent me. Acts 2:22 - It says: You men of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God AMONGST YOU by wonders and miracles and signs, which God did by him. Submit to the will of God.What is the will of God?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:Submit to the will of God.What is the will of God? We are dialoguing remember? We are not arguing. I bet you have not read my post 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:Submit to the will of God.What is the will of God? We are dialoguing remember? We are not arguing. I bet you have not read my post I have read yours.I doubt you understand mine.I'm not arguing just extracting information from you.I put aside the issues concerning Jesus and concentrated on the message.We've concluded he said we submit to the will of God(but it should be of the Father),as such I asked you,what is the will of God?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:Submit to the will of God.What is the will of God? We are dialoguing remember? We are not arguing. I bet you have not read my post I have read yours.I doubt you understand mine.I'm not arguing just extracting information from you.I put aside the issues concerning Jesus and concentrated on the message.We've concluded he said we submit to the will of God(but it should be of the Father),as such I asked you,what is the will of God? This is the willTo bear witness that there's non to be worshipped except the creator, Almighty God. See what Moses (Peace be upon him) saidConsistent with the first commandment given to Moses. - " Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." See what Jesus (peace be upon him) saidConsistent with the first commandment that Jesus Christ also said is the greatest of the commanemnet, - " Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." - Absolute One, - not the number one, - not the number one that can be divided into one, two & three - not number one that can be multiplied - But absolutellye one, having no ine besides, no other God besides. - " Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
->Love the Lord your God with all your heart
->and with all your soul
->and with all your mind
->and with all your strength."Such said moses, such said Jesus, such said the Quran.
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