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tycho
#41 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 2:15:09 PM
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guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
With or without Christianity,secularity would exist because society would always create rules and people will always resist rules and laws.


So why does secularism predominantly occur in Christian societies as opposed to Muslim, African traditional, Hindu or Buddhist societies??

symbols wrote:
Many denominations vindicates the bible.It was foretold.


and who is to say that catholism is not the first wolf in sheep's clothing since it was started by the Romans officially only 300 years after the death of Jesus rock - Simon Peter who was ironically murdered by the same Romans

Is catholism not the cause of these denominations??

symbols wrote:
If its Saturday you talk of then its still a pagan day.Its derived from Saturn day..


The Sabbath/Saturday was Gods chosen day.. it is not the place of any man to change this holy day at free will! there was a reason Jesus was not crucified on the Sabbath neither did he resurrect on the Sabbath! Because the true Sabbath belongs to God!

Why change it anyway unless there were ulterior motives??

symbols wrote:
What religion would you advocate for that would solve man's problems?


Just for the record I am a baptized catholic but the religion that closest fits the bill on the truth is Islam but only if you consider principles and strike out rituals!


Truth is about being. Not religion or ritual.
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symbols
#42 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 2:21:25 PM
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guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
With or without Christianity,secularity would exist because society would always create rules and people will always resist rules and laws.


So why does secularism predominantly occur in Christian societies as opposed to Muslim, African traditional, Hindu or Buddhist societies??

symbols wrote:
Many denominations vindicates the bible.It was foretold.


and who is to say that catholism is not the first wolf in sheep's clothing since it was started by the Romans officially only 300 years after the death of Jesus rock - Simon Peter who was ironically murdered by the same Romans

Is catholism not the cause of these denominations??

symbols wrote:
If its Saturday you talk of then its still a pagan day.Its derived from Saturn day..


The Sabbath/Saturday was Gods chosen day.. it is not the place of any man to change this holy day at free will! there was a reason Jesus was not crucified on the Sabbath neither did he resurrect on the Sabbath! Because the true Sabbath belongs to God!

Why change it anyway unless there were ulterior motives??

symbols wrote:
What religion would you advocate for that would solve man's problems?


Just for the record I am a baptized catholic but the religion that closest fits the bill on the truth is Islam but only if you consider principles and strike out rituals!


Ah,now I think I see your point.It occurs because unlike other religions,it seems to be very flexible and it shapes itself to serve the people not its true purpose.

Religions have denominations especially when it comes to what key concepts are important.When it comes to religion I believe its better to go to the source.Honestly,I don't even go to church.

We have many calenders and standards,which one do we base it on.Even days,how do you know which is which.One thing I won't deny is that religions are being used for ulterior motives but the message stands firm.

Why do you think Islam comes closes to the truth and how can that be if you ignore the rituals?And what is this truth if I may ask?
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Annti_Christy
#43 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 4:00:46 PM
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symbols

I if i can prove God exists then the point is can you? The stakes are high. If a soul is in peril you just might be the one to make the change but only if you can show. This is one area you cannot rely on your neighbors aptitude. So will you continue being a let down splitting endless philosophical hairs rather than proving this more important task?
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Annti_Christy
#44 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 4:37:30 PM
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tycho wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
To illustrate and prove can any nominal christian explain daniel 8 particularly verse 14?


If he/she is nominal, then (s)he can't give a 'real' and 'comprehensive' answer.

So you need to help 'us' out.

i thought so. It doesn suprise me one bit at all. Despite the lofty titles we give ourselves we are still man made of dirt and not omniscient. Pow!
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tycho
#45 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 5:54:43 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
tycho wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
To illustrate and prove can any nominal christian explain daniel 8 particularly verse 14?


If he/she is nominal, then (s)he can't give a 'real' and 'comprehensive' answer.

So you need to help 'us' out.

i thought so. It doesn suprise me one bit at all. Despite the lofty titles we give ourselves we are still man made of dirt and not omniscient. Pow!


Then the question should be opened to others who make a claim to enlightenment. Or Divinity.
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symbols
#46 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:07:07 PM
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People saw Moses and his miracles.They still sinned.People saw Christ and his miracles,they still sinned and doubted.I can't perform miracles or bring a sample of God in a test tube.I can't prove God exists,what instruments will I use?I know God exists because I had faith in Him and sought Him out and eventually found my answer.

Now the souls at peril wishing to find answers,whatever his/her belief,has to seek answers for themselves.As you've clearly put it:

Annti_Christy wrote:

This is one area you cannot rely on your neighbors aptitude.
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symbols
#47 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:17:24 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:

i thought so. It doesn suprise me one bit at all. Despite the lofty titles we give ourselves we are still man made of dirt and not omniscient. Pow!


You speak as if dirt is inferior to man.Now let me present a question to you,was Christ omniscient and if the answer is yes,why did he say he didn't know the day or hour of his return?
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tycho
#48 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:18:29 PM
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symbols wrote:
People saw Moses and his miracles.They still sinned.People saw Christ and his miracles,they still sinned and doubted.I can't perform miracles or bring a sample of God in a test tube.I can't prove God exists,what instruments will I use?I know God exists because I had faith in Him and sought Him out and eventually found my answer.

Now the souls at peril wishing to find answers,whatever his/her belief,has to seek answers for themselves.As you've clearly put it:

Annti_Christy wrote:

This is one area you cannot rely on your neighbors aptitude.


If one can prove that God exists, then the person must be Divine. It cannot be otherwise.

I am, is my proof.
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symbols
#49 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:22:56 PM
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tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
People saw Moses and his miracles.They still sinned.People saw Christ and his miracles,they still sinned and doubted.I can't perform miracles or bring a sample of God in a test tube.I can't prove God exists,what instruments will I use?I know God exists because I had faith in Him and sought Him out and eventually found my answer.

Now the souls at peril wishing to find answers,whatever his/her belief,has to seek answers for themselves.As you've clearly put it:

Annti_Christy wrote:

This is one area you cannot rely on your neighbors aptitude.


If one can prove that God exists, then the person must be Divine. It cannot be otherwise.

I am, is my proof.


I agree.The 'I' is always constant and ever presentsmile
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essyk
#50 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:31:42 PM
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symbols wrote:
was Christ omniscient and if the answer is yes,why did he say he didn't know the day or hour of his return?


God is omniscient, but God as man on earth in the form of Jesus wasn't.
God limited himself and became flesh(man) and we all know that man is not omniscient.
That statement was made before the resurrection while he walked and thought as man.
After rising from the dead,he ceased being man and took on the Father's nature.
In other words HE knows.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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