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Total Kenya profit falls by 96%
youcan'tstopusnow
#51 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:54:10 AM
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hisah wrote:
Downstream stocks looking good just like the hydrocarbon play. How long will they last...

Are you still on that Total oil play?
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VituVingiSana
#52 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:59:31 AM
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Any idea on the size of the 'settlement' with Triton. This is very worrying. Did Total have to pay Triton due to the court decision (or rather settlement) in London?
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hisah
#53 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:04:25 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
Downstream stocks looking good just like the hydrocarbon play. How long will they last...

Are you still on that Total oil play?

Didn't get on board. Hopefully I can now get my sub 10 price with this results. It'll be interesting to see KK and TK sub 10. Who'll will be the prettier of the ugly sisters smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
dunkang
#54 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:38:29 PM
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NAIROBI (Reuters) - Fuel marketer Total Kenya Ltd on Tuesday said it would post a financial loss for 2012 after it was forced to settle a legal claim in a London court. It said the claim related to the activities of Triton, a Kenyan oil firm that collapsed in 2008 after illegally selling oil worth 7.6 billion shillings. Total Kenya did not offer any details about the suit.

While the company has admitted no liability, it said it had concluded it was in shareholders' best interests to settle the claim this month and take a hit in last year's accounts. "It is important to note that in the absence of this exceptional settlement, the company would have returned a profit," Total Kenya said, adding it expected improvement this year.

The company, which is majority-owned by French oil company Total, posted a pre-tax profit of 58 million shillings in 2011 and a net loss of 71 million shillings after taxes.
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hisah
#55 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:42:25 PM
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dunkang wrote:
NAIROBI (Reuters) - Fuel marketer Total Kenya Ltd on Tuesday said it would post a financial loss for 2012 after it was forced to settle a legal claim in a London court. It said the claim related to the activities of Triton, a Kenyan oil firm that collapsed in 2008 after illegally selling oil worth 7.6 billion shillings. Total Kenya did not offer any details about the suit.

While the company has admitted no liability, it said it had concluded it was in shareholders' best interests to settle the claim this month and take a hit in last year's accounts. "It is important to note that in the absence of this exceptional settlement, the company would have returned a profit," Total Kenya said, adding it expected improvement this year.

The company, which is majority-owned by French oil company Total, posted a pre-tax profit of 58 million shillings in 2011 and a net loss of 71 million shillings after taxes.

Legal claim in London???
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
SittingPretty
#56 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:48:41 PM
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hisah wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
Downstream stocks looking good just like the hydrocarbon play. How long will they last...

Are you still on that Total oil play?

Didn't get on board. Hopefully I can now get my sub 10 price with this results. It'll be interesting to see KK and TK sub 10. Who'll will be the prettier of the ugly sisters smile

Generally speaking this year is going to be good to the downstream business especially the big 4, with a semblance of stability in international oil prices, a stronger shilling (contestable), tougher policies from MOE and price wars which would squeeze out the smaller players. Whether this would translate on the stock for KK and TKL is left for you the experts.
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Aguytrying
#57 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:43:34 PM
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SittingPretty wrote:
hisah wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
Downstream stocks looking good just like the hydrocarbon play. How long will they last...

Are you still on that Total oil play?

Didn't get on board. Hopefully I can now get my sub 10 price with this results. It'll be interesting to see KK and TK sub 10. Who'll will be the prettier of the ugly sisters smile

Generally speaking this year is going to be good to the downstream business especially the big 4, with a semblance of stability in international oil prices, a stronger shilling (contestable), tougher policies from MOE and price wars which would squeeze out the smaller players. Whether this would translate on the stock for KK and TKL is left for you the experts.


@hisah. Lol @ prettier of the 2. I will not be left out of the hydrocarbon play. Planning to buy Kk and tk. I fancied kplc and kengen as my energy stocks but their debts were too large. Infact I sold that monkey kengen today (future monkey).
Today tk refused to go below 13.00 and kenol strongly fighting to stay above 10.00. When the results finally come in, they should be easy picking.. The fact that outre mere owns so much of tk is very bullish. Pay day will come to the ugly sisters! Lol
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Aguytrying
#58 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:50:19 PM
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@hisah. Whats the effect of the preference shares held by outre mere at 15.70 and at 31.5? Especially in terms of dilution to ordinary shares eps and dividends.
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VituVingiSana
#59 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:40:41 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@hisah. Whats the effect of the preference shares held by outre mere at 15.70 and at 31.5? Especially in terms of dilution to ordinary shares eps and dividends.
Can you imagine what Outre Mer sort of paid KES 31.50 you can buy at 14.00? Those Preference Shares attract a dividend on par with Ordinary Shares. The question is whether Total K will redeem them in the future?
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Aguytrying
#60 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:58:24 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@hisah. Whats the effect of the preference shares held by outre mere at 15.70 and at 31.5? Especially in terms of dilution to ordinary shares eps and dividends.
Can you imagine what Outre Mer sort of paid KES 31.50 you can buy at 14.00? Those Preference Shares attract a dividend on par with Ordinary Shares. The question is whether Total K will redeem them in the future?


That is amazing. Means they thought the shares were worth around that much.
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