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hisah
#3321 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:39:05 PM
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Panic: A move by Cypriot authorities that could see up to ten per cent of bank deposits seized to bail out the bankrupt sparked panic and violent protests. One disgruntled customer parked a bulldozer in front of a bank in the coastal town of Limassol in protest.


http://www.dailymail.co....levy-bank-accounts.html
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hisah
#3322 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 3:23:51 PM
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Collateral Damage - Back to Mesopotamia? The Looming Threat of Debt Restructuring by The Boston Consulting Group - http://www.scribd.com/do...BCG-Back-to-Mesopotamia

So on point with the debt drama unfolding in euroland and US.
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hisah
#3323 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:02:21 PM
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Cyprus parliament postpones vote on savings levy to Monday - http://www.reuters.com/a...t-idUSBRE92G03I20130317

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Cyprus's parliament postponed an emergency session called to approve a levy on bank deposits on Sunday after signs lawmakers could block the surprise move agreed in Brussels to help fund a bailout and avert national bankruptcy.

The decision, announced on Saturday morning, stunned Cypriots and caused a run on cashpoints, most of which were depleted within hours. Electronic transfers were stopped.

The move to take a percentage of deposits, which could raise almost 6 billion euros, must be ratified by parliament, where no party has a majority. If it fails to do so, President Nicos Anastasiades has warned, Cyprus's two largest banks will collapse.



A nation in pain coz of 2 banks that have stacked their debt more than 8 times the GDP output??! The cypriots should just ram through a default like Iceland and let the banksters eat their sh**.

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hisah
#3324 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:55:20 PM
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When this one comes down, it'll be a bloodbath...

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hisah
#3325 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:24:46 PM
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The hangover after the overdose Sick Sick
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obiero
#3326 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:39:26 PM
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[quote=hisah]@murchr - I'm waking up to the Cyprus news and this sh** aint funny. Cyrus bailout terms is utter robbery by the state!? 10% one-time tax will be recovered from each account in any of the local banks?! Poor savers, Monday is a bank holiday in Cyrus meaning they can't withdraw deposits. Convenient the holiday for the banksters to avoid a bank run. Actually this is not a state bailout, but a bloody 'bail in' since the depositors/savers money is being seized (taxed) to hand over the bailout! Of the 10B EU is to provide as bailout is actually being paid by the Cypriot savers at almost 5.8B?! Almost a third of the GDP of Cyprus. Parliament has sunday & monday to ram (pass) a bill to make the one-time tax (seize aka confiscate) on deposits (100k euros & above and 6.75% tax for less than 100k) legal. Aicaramba! Madness galore d'oh!

@kk - I think euroland is just about to tip with gubberments getting really draconian Sad

'Revolts just happen, they're never planned'

http://www.businessinsid...cos-anastasiades-2013-3[/quote]
this type of thing i.e getting into client's accounts, could never happen in an African state. people would do weird things if any government tries such a stunt

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kyt
#3327 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:44:57 PM
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indeed this sh*t aint funny, wah my word this is daytime robbery Of citizens by their govt! crazy stuff!!!
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Cde Monomotapa
#3328 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:56:56 PM
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hisah
#3329 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 1:20:54 AM
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Cyprus zimbabwe soon to be euroland zimbabwe... Same happened during the mexican tequila crisis in 1994 and the argentine crisis in 2000.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#3330 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 1:40:21 AM
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hisah wrote:

Cyprus zimbabwe soon to be euroland zimbabwe... Same happened during the mexican tequila crisis in 1994 and the argentine crisis in 2000.

Indeed and that should be of great concern to the CHF coz as the govts get needier, tax havens will be X-haired and who knows... Sad
Cde Monomotapa
#3331 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 9:22:22 AM
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Meanwhile in (new) Zim; Observers give referendum thumbs up http://www.herald.co.zw/...-stories&Itemid=130 | Govt approves debt reduction strategy http://www.zbc.co.zw/new...ovt-approves-zarep.html | Zimre residential project nears completion http://www.newsday.co.zw...roject-nears-completion/
quicksand
#3332 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 9:45:55 AM
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obiero wrote:
[quote=hisah]@murchr - I'm waking up to the Cyprus news and this sh** aint funny. Cyrus bailout terms is utter robbery by the state!? 10% one-time tax will be recovered from each account in any of the local banks?! Poor savers, Monday is a bank holiday in Cyrus meaning they can't withdraw deposits. Convenient the holiday for the banksters to avoid a bank run. Actually this is not a state bailout, but a bloody 'bail in' since the depositors/savers money is being seized (taxed) to hand over the bailout! Of the 10B EU is to provide as bailout is actually being paid by the Cypriot savers at almost 5.8B?! Almost a third of the GDP of Cyprus. Parliament has sunday & monday to ram (pass) a bill to make the one-time tax (seize aka confiscate) on deposits (100k euros & above and 6.75% tax for less than 100k) legal. Aicaramba! Madness galore d'oh!

@kk - I think euroland is just about to tip with gubberments getting really draconian Sad

'Revolts just happen, they're never planned'

http://www.businessinsid...cos-anastasiades-2013-3[/quote]
this type of thing i.e getting into client's accounts, could never happen in an African state. people would do weird things if any government tries such a stunt


Europe is being screwed by Germany ...but this is thuggery of the highest order,..and the run will still happen, with exodus to outside of the Eurozone and gold etc etc..and the loss of trust. It will take a hundred years for the Cypriot banking industry to win back the confidence of depositors.
Cde Monomotapa
#3333 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 10:07:57 AM
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In the digital world, word travels fast - the Zim press caught the déjàvu too smile "If you thought Zimbabwe's Gono was bad, what about Cyprus" http://www.bulawayo24.co...c-economy-byo-27680.html
karanjakinuthia
#3334 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 10:25:54 AM
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@Hisah.Consider the following statement:

"Regardless of one’s interpretation, in the entrenched eurozone North-South stand-off, this clearly represents a victory for the German government and German taxpayers over their southern counterparts, as it was Berlin that drew a line in the sand. In many ways, Cypriot depositors fell victim to the forthcoming German elections in September..."

Read more:

http://blogs.telegraph.c...-is-political-dynamite/


Word on the street is that Cyprus got flushed with the blessing of Angela Merkel as she sees the never-ending bailouts, this being the fourth in Europe, as a threat to her re-election in September. Recall the SPD and Greens had a narrow regional majority win in January.

"It was a neck-and-neck race in the German state of Lower Saxony, but ultimately Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives lost. The center-left Social Democrats and environmentalist Green Party have scored an upset victory..."

Read more:

http://www.spiegel.de/in...nd-greens-a-878690.html

Germany is being dragged down the Black Hole of Calcutta by the bailouts.

The lesson to be drawn from the European Debt Debacle is when a group of nations band together to form a currency union, their debts should also be unified. The Eurobond proposal would have worked. The best example is the United States where all state debt upon formation of the Union became federal debt and recognized as reserves. Any debt formed thereafter by any of the individual states would not be reserve status. The federal government could still print bonds for the use of the entire union recognized as reserves. That way, even when Detroit had a debt moratorium in 1933, it did not threaten the entire nation. In recent times, states such as California have been facing funding challenges, yet, the federal government, federal bond market and U.S. Dollar are still standing.

With a unified Eurobond market, the EU can institute a clever default the way the ancient Romans and even Japanese did it. Caracalla (188 - 217 AD) devalued the denarius for the first time since its issuance in 211 BC by issuing the new double aureus and double denarius. The coinage had 50% less metal content thus were a 50% devaluation. His thirst for money was to pay the military who in those days were the hand behind the throne. The Japanese Emperor during the Nara Period (710 to 794 AD) would issue coinage that he stated was valued 10 times the former coinage in circulation. The "New Euro" currency could be devalued by a formulated percentage, effectively defaulting on the bondholders without the anguish of market driven bond market crashes such as was the case in Greece.


hisah wrote:
The market forgets very fast! Back in 2011 the cyprus banks were declared very fit by the EU bank stress tests - http://www.centralbank.g...?a_id=11847&lang=en

@kk - in short the bondholders have held a gun on the cypriot head. Take the damn option or we pull the liquidity plug off! With roma now under a 'bank unfriendly pm' as well as a hung parliament, italy is going to be interesting watch as this unfolds. Italian banks and also spanish banks sit on some radioactive insolvent debts. There is scope for a systemic risk trigger if politicians can't handle the citizen outrage esp spain, greece and italy.

Meanwhile Tunisians are back on the street with a bigger crowd than when the president was kicked out in 2011...

hisah
#3335 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 11:54:04 AM
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Cyprus parliament to consider deposit tax; European stocks fall - http://www.reuters.com/a...t-idUSBRE92G03I20130318

A lot of market talk (rumours) going around that the tax levy will be modified e.g. cut the tax levy on small deposits to spare them the heavy haircut while a tax hike on deposits larger than 500K. The russian fin min is not amused and sees this as unfair. At some point the putin square will throw back a curveball... Vote will be done at 14:00 GMT and I expect market volatility to increase at this period as US market session comes online.
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hisah
#3336 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 12:01:44 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:

Cyprus zimbabwe soon to be euroland zimbabwe... Same happened during the mexican tequila crisis in 1994 and the argentine crisis in 2000.

Indeed and that should be of great concern to the CHF coz as the govts get needier, tax havens will be X-haired and who knows... Sad

Just a thought. Since euroland has crossed the financial rubicon which once done one can't go back, where will the capital flight land. Asia? Africa? S.America? Is Africa ready for sizable hot money running away from tax havens?

It could be a blessing in disguise... Where will the russian mob take their deposits from Cyprus?
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Cde Monomotapa
#3337 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 1:26:10 PM
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hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:

Cyprus zimbabwe soon to be euroland zimbabwe... Same happened during the mexican tequila crisis in 1994 and the argentine crisis in 2000.

Indeed and that should be of great concern to the CHF coz as the govts get needier, tax havens will be X-haired and who knows... Sad

Just a thought. Since euroland has crossed the financial rubicon which once done one can't go back, where will the capital flight land. Asia? Africa? S.America? Is Africa ready for sizable hot money running away from tax havens?

It could be a blessing in disguise... Where will the russian mob take their deposits from Cyprus?

smile If you think of BRICS as the type of Investment Bankers that Africa always longed for, then the rest will follow. Surfs up...
hisah
#3338 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 1:26:42 PM
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Some history tea leaves on deposit raids by the state

In 1936, Norway imposed a bank deposit tax, which caused capital flight (bank run) from the nation.
On July 11 1992, Italy's Socialist PM Giuliano Amato imposed a one-off levy of 0.6% on bank accounts.

If history were to repeat itself based on these 2 euroland nations, an Amato will likely happen in Italy very soon. This Cyprus experiment is going to be rolled out to all those out of sorts with fiscal discipline. It will be interesting to watch this capital flight event when it happens.
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hisah
#3339 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 3:29:52 PM
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Cyprus's parliament postpones bank levy vote to Tuesday at 1600 GMT - http://www.reuters.com/a...e-idUSL6N0CA81B20130318

Definitely the party in charge can't amass votes to have this bill pass thus the vote delay. So tomorrow the banks open and the queues will be withdrawals only. Capital controls...
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SittingPretty
#3340 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 3:35:01 PM
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hisah wrote:
Some history tea leaves on deposit raids by the state

In 1936, Norway imposed a bank deposit tax, which caused capital flight (bank run) from the nation.
On July 11 1992, Italy's Socialist PM Giuliano Amato imposed a one-off levy of 0.6% on bank accounts.

If history were to repeat itself based on these 2 euroland nations, an Amato will likely happen in Italy very soon. This Cyprus experiment is going to be rolled out to all those out of sorts with fiscal discipline. It will be interesting to watch this capital flight event when it happens.

This is a dangerous precedence, I have my doubts it will go down without causalities! One wonders what the EU Central bank was doing when these Greeks were getting into this mess!
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