Identity.

So sad..... I think the damage is already done and its time for action. If Uganda was able to reverse the epidemic, S.A. with all its resources should do something.

Well, rape could be a factor in South Africa.

Some statistics claim 1 in every 4 young men has been involved in rape/attempted rape.

http://www.irinnews.org/Report/...ICA-One-in-four-men-rape

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se...violence_in_South_Africa

Are you putting blame on the girl? this is absurd, the girls are just victims of a rotten culture, these are kids, no adult should sleep with a kid whether the kid initiate it or not, period!

This is not western culture as you put it, in westen countries only sick people sleep with underage( anyone under 18yrs.), sex with underage is forbidden in western countries if you don't know.

@Rollout I'm putting the blame on the parents, on the culture, on the way of life, on the society...

Jesus said: "By their fruit you will know them." Mathew 7:20

The love
Look at the Muslims. Every good tree, will bear good fruit. And every evil tree will bear evil fruit.
That is the test Jesus is talking about.

The fruits
Islam has created the biggest society of teetollers in the world.
There over 1billion Muslims in the world, and all are teetollers.
They don't indulge in alcohol.
These are the fruits.

Look at India
The most racist people on Earth, the Hindus of India.
Where they have the cast Hindus.
And you see this same nation, has become one that accept the rich and white, the rich and the poor in its brotherhood.
It changed, because of Islam.

Now with all this claims
That have been made against Christianity, transforming people's lives.
They say the old you goes out of you and the new you comes into you!
I say, my dear brothers and sisters, in this nation of Kenya, that nation of South Africa and even those who claim to be in "Majuu",
according to brother Jimmy Swaggart, there are 11 milion drunkards. That's what he said in his book.

11 million drunkards and 44 million heavy drinkers.

Yes, this nation of "Majuu".

And brother Jimmy Swaggart says he sees no difference between them. That means 55 million, he sees all of them to be drunkards.
The only difference is, there are far enough.

In Islam, we say even a social drinker, is not allowed.
The prophet said:
"Whatever intoxicates in a greater quantity is also unlawful in a small quantity."
No excuse for a tot!! Out!!

The Quran 5:90-91 says:
"You who believe! Intoxicants and Gambling, all are an abomination of Satan's handiwork.
Eschew such abomination, that you may prosper.
Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling,
and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer; will you not then abstain?"

NOTE: According to brother Jimmy Swaggart, 54 billion dollars per year, is lost in gambling!

These are the fruits. The fruits of the teaching of Islam.

But 2000 years of preaching
of the teachings of the Bible, look at it!
You have these powers of miracle working, they say Christ give life, he healed the sick, Muhammad (peace be upon him) could not do it.

I say my brothers and sisters you do not read the scriptures, Jesus is saying:
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."

So, if false prophets can do that, if false Christs can do miracles, then I say is this a test of your faith?
The answer is no!!

When Jesus Christ tells those who are doing these miracles:
Matt 7:22-23 "Many will say to me in that day (of Judgement), Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

He is telling you this!!
"In thy name!". In the name of Jesus, didn't we do all these things, didn't we do all that?
Jesus will say, yes. He will to them, I never knew you, depart from me, you whose work was not adequate!!

So I say explain
He won't tell the Jews, He won't tell the Hindus get away from me, or the Atheist get away from me.
He will tell you the Christians. I want to know why? Why would he tell you "I don't even know you, get out"?

I say look at another test
John the baptist according to Jesus, was one of the mightiest messengers of God.
Jesus says says among those born of women, there has not risen any greater than John the baptist.
Yet John performed no miracles! Did he? Sho me, what did he do? What miracles? No.

So miracle is not a test.
But th greater miracle is: without miracles, you transform nations. Over 1000 milion people, they don't indulge in alcohol because of teachings of Muhammad (peace be upon him).

this line would work during the middle ages, not now. its time to let it go and retire it forever unless you still force people to believe what you want them to believe. today, people are free to choose what they want after making due consideration. peple are free to mix love and hate and sex.

@symbols you think I was born in Muslim family?
You think I'm prescribing my own religion?
You think I think my religion is superior because I was born in it?

So you think I'm endosing Islam
You think if I was born in Hindu family, I would be endorsing Hinduism!
You are saying I should be talking about Love!
Brother @symbols, I agree with you about love part.

Something you didn't know about me
Till the age of 19, I was a Christian, only because my parents were Christians.
After the age of 19 until 24, I was just going to church because people go to Church on Sundays.
At the age of 24, after studying about all these way-of-live (which I call religions), now I'm a Muslim by choice.

And believe me if you can point out any other way of life (religion), better than Islam, I'm ready to accept that religion today.

If anyone can proof to me, logically, scientifically, any other way of life better than Islam, I'm ready to accept.

But when you talk about "LOVE", who told you about this way of life called "LOVE"?

You know you said you don't care, so what then are you saying?

But we are discussing a problem here, this thread is trying to address a problem. Do you have a better solution for it? Tell us.

What I'm saying is that there is a way to solve this problem of moral degradation in our society.
No one has stopped you from giving a solution that will work.
Tell us how love will solve this spready of HIV.

You know you cannot be a Muslim unles you are good human being. Good human being love people.

You need to learn to listen
carefuly about what people are saying.
If somehting is going into your ear and getting out throught the other one, then you'll not get what someone is saying.
Do not be prejudices by the word religion.
You know this is way of life.
No one is trying to convert you here.

Let us have healthy exchange of what we think is solution, otherwise all the thousand people will give solutions but you will not have any solution at the end of the day.

What you have to realize is you are talking about humanity, love.
You are saying don't talk about my way of life, don't talk about my lifestyle, don't talk about my religion.
You are saying I'm endorsing love. First of all you are ashamed to own up what is wrong in the culture and lifestyle people are leading, which is what you are part of.

When you talk about LOVE, who wrote this thing called love. Is there any guidelines?

I'm sorry to tell you that you've not studied other religion
You're just bluffing by saying you can disect.
I can point to you thousand things which you may claim to follow, which goes against humanity, the love.

I'm not here to critisize any religion
- If you have not studied any religion, please do not say anything which you have no knowledge.
- You have not read, so please do not make comments without knowing.
- I can give you quotations in the Bible, which contribute to this lifestyle.
- I challenge you to point out a single thing in what I have said which goes against love.

So don't tell me every religion says that. Sorry, your knowledge is very weak.

What I'm trying to say
Love is like you're in std 2.
But I'm not talking about only passing school, not only graduation, you have to become postgraduate.
Islam means higher level of way of life.
Only love is lower level.
No Muslim can be a good Muslim unless he is human, love people.

I challenge you to point out a single teaching of Islam, which is agaist humanity.
You may not be aware or you may not know the logical background.
The logical reason why Islam has prescribed that teaching and you think it is against humanity.

Let me give you an analogy
You may say oh doctor is giving me an injection which is poking me, paining me.
But that injection is good for you!!
You say, oh a doctor is cutting a part of me, he's cutting my leg.
But the doctor is cutting a part of you to save your life!
So doctor knows, you don't know.

If I have two choices
one is passing std 2 and stop there or doing post graduate.
I would prefer, post graduation. WHy only std 2 or 3?

So humanity and love is good, but Islamic way of life is far much superior than that.

Regarding your claim
that I'm endorsing Islam because I was born in a Muslim family. I told you I was not born in a muslim family. I researched and I discovered what is better lifestyle.

But now I challenge you
if you can prove to me any other way of life.
I think Islam is the most logical religion.
The best religion for humanity, it is the only religion which has solutions for human problems.

See an incredible treatment for women
Allah says in Quran, suran Imran chapter 3:19:
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will.
Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dowery ye have given them,
except where they have been guilty of open lewdness;
on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity.
If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing,
and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good."

And for your information.
Your argument is so weak. Do you know of all scholars in Islam, more than 20% they were not born in a Muslim family.
Do you know that? Some accepted Islam in their teen, some in their 20s, some in their 30s.
They are Muslims by choice!

So your logic that because I'm Muslim, therefore I'm endorsing.
No, these people, myself too were not born in Muslim family.
We were born in Christian family.
We were born in non-muslim family.

Yet they are endorsing Islam.
Why because, they have studied. They have studied other religions and foudn that Islam is best way of life.

What I reguest you:
You study love and study Islam. And try and find out what point Islam is against humanity.
Then you come to know that the best way of life. I'm not asking you about your religion, I'm asking you to accept the best way of life.
And the best way of life, the only solution for humanity is Islam.

@chepkel, but poverty is as a result of a lifestyle, a certain way of life.

The culture which is true is the solution
If every human being submitted to the will of the creator, the maker, the designer, the provider, we call God, you won't have problems of poverty like in Somalia.

Please allow me to point you to a third pillar of Islam
God says in Quran and Hadiths, the right way of life is that every rich person should give in charity.
- If every rich human being give charity poverty would be eradicated from this world!
- There would be no single human being wnywhere in this world who will die of hunger!

No woman would sell her body for money
They would have dignity to establish respectiful relationships. They would be proud of themselves.

Do you know
That three richest men in the world have wealth equal to 40 poorest countries GDP?
If all these rich people give zakat, charity, it would solve the problem of human kind.

So the problem is that
if every human being follows, the way of life of submitting to the will of Almighty God.
Any problem would be solved.

Alhamdulillah, the Quran has this solution to this problem.

Quran suran Imran suran 3:19:
"The Religion before Allah is submission to His Will (word is Islam):
Nor did the Jews and Christians (People of the Book) dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them.
But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account."

You want to go Bible way?
I looked up what Jesus said, and I found a simple example:
James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also"

Detailed:
14 What use is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone...

So my brother, what action are you going to do to reduce poverty?
Are you going to just tell these women "I love you so much, now go and you'll not engage in this trade.."?

Look at my post #35
Tell me what I've said that is wrong. If we're talking the same thing, say so. But don't just counter without priving a workable solution.

#someonetellnigerians O, sorry I mean @symbols
Love alone cannot put bread on the table
Ask the ladies. You need to do something. Action.

So what is your action?