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Kenyans......The way foward
mwariama
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:25:02 PM
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Joined: 10/22/2010
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Location: kenya
Hi Wazuans,

Over the last few days, I have noticed that ethnic hatred and bigotry has really increased. Most conversations in the streets, offices and even online have resulted to ethnic bashing and blaming. I feel lost in the middle of these melees and I feel that as a society, we are eons before we can even claim to be a mature democracy.

My situation
I was born into a family where both my parents come from the Luo and the Kikuyu communities. Most of my life has been spent in Nairobi. My formative education years were spent in schools with global and cultural diversity, where one language was spoken throughout my schooling years.
I cannot speak any of the two languages but I can make out some words here and there.

I’ve tried to collect reasons from my relatives especially, why they voted the way they did. It’s not surprising that the voting patterns mimicked the national ones. They are as follows:
• Luo relatives- at last one of their own gets to be on the top seat. Others are, massive development projects initiated back “home”, employment opportunities and business contracts.
• Kikuyu relatives- we’ll be “finished” if RAO and his people get into government. People will take over businesses that we have built over the years, not pay for goods and services, loss of employment and giving of business contracts to “others”.

My deduction is that most of the people who voted for JUBILEE, CORD and AMANI had most of the reasons outlined above. The average Kikuyu voter didn’t vote for RAO not because they hate him but because of the fear and uncertainty that he portends to bring. The majority of the other average voters who voted for RAO/Mdvd voted for the hope and promise that even one of their own could ascend to the top seat.

Burning questions
What is the way forward for our country? Why should one of our own be voted in? Do we as a community or even as a person gain from the “choosing our own” mentality?
Where does this ethnic hatred and bigotry come from and what are the solutions?

Please Note:
My intentions from this thread are to objectively discuss ways we can de-tribalize the electoral process, government institutions and demystify tribal stereotypes. I hope we can contribute in a calm and sober way. I also hope that as the posts are unfolding, we can get to know reasons why some of us voted the way we did especially from the supporters of the main protagonists. We need to create a new Kenya, a country devoid of this ethnicity. Where everyone views the other as brother and sister and not by their ethnic background.



Again let us be sober and avoid nasty situations. Kenyans are polarized. Look at such posts on facebook to get a feel.
tycho
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:44:57 PM
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To move forward, we need to understand where power lies, how the world is shaping itself, and to generate appropriate policies.

Tribalism is out dated. How can the masses be re-educated?
ChessMaster
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:25:30 PM
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@mwariama - Thank you for having the courage to speak up.I will try to share my thoughts on this.

Tribalism,racism,classim...isms...are problems plaguing our world.We have to realize that we are one.The world is one,it knows no nations,no tribes,races,class or sex.We are all neighbors together in a world suspended in the nothingness of space.

They serve to divide us and thus be conquered.We have lost our identity as a human race,a global community with a common ancestry. Those in power use and will continue to do this to carve power for themselves and blind us from the power we the people have.

The fault doesn't lie with those in power as much as it lies with the individuals.Life is hard and we look for things to blame for this hardship.As humans we are also weak and we also seek excuses for not being better than we aspire to be.

Tribalism is one of this avenues.We choose to divide against race,tribes,sex and such to create an enemy.The enemy justifies the anger and hatred.It is also an attempt to create stability in our lives,that is,to know where we stand.Us against them.We also like to aggregate to feel secure.

It boils down to ignorance and seeking scapegoats. I don't want to say this but it is the truth.There are only two ways out of hate: either we shift our focus to unity,peace and harmony or blood will flow in the streets.This is not only locally but globally.

The solution is just as hard because the power lies with the individual.Even if we educate the masses,people will still perceive what they want to.Assuming education works out,people will still seek scapegoats.

The best solution I can give is that of example.Don't lead by example,live it.Don't wait for someone else to change.Live what you want to see.From there I can only hope people will see the goodness in it and learn from you.I can also hope they will find courage in seeing someone living life outside tribal lines and the goodness it brings.Although you should expect people to also hate,because some people don't want to let go.They won't be left with any excuses.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
mwariama
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:28:52 PM
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@tycho,
Does power lie in individualism? Is it about me first as an individual then them? I understand the world is shrinking and "inclusivism" is the way to go.
What sort of education would deal with the kind of attitude prevailing in the country right now?

As we try to investigate where power lies, I’d want to digress a bit. A similar discussion with a friend yielded an interesting perspective. For him, tribalism is isn’t bad….. It’s one of the ways people can create and share resources. According to him, people look for commonalities in creation and sharing of resources since time immemorial. Commonalities include religion, race, creed, education and social status etc.
ChessMaster
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:54:11 PM
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Lets work with individualism.If you are thinking of yourself and your interests you will choose the best option that can satisfy them.If those who believe tribalism is a solution,then it means nationalism is even better and humanism the best for the same benefits are conferred at a larger scale.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
wal6807
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:47:25 AM
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Some minority communities control the economy and must be laughing at us as the "Big" tribes fight for leadership we have never learnt the art of influence without overt political power
"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers."
•Socrates (470?-399 BC)
tycho
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:16:40 PM
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mwariama wrote:
@tycho,
Does power lie in individualism? Is it about me first as an individual then them? I understand the world is shrinking and "inclusivism" is the way to go.
What sort of education would deal with the kind of attitude prevailing in the country right now?

As we try to investigate where power lies, I’d want to digress a bit. A similar discussion with a friend yielded an interesting perspective. For him, tribalism is isn’t bad….. It’s one of the ways people can create and share resources. According to him, people look for commonalities in creation and sharing of resources since time immemorial. Commonalities include religion, race, creed, education and social status etc.


Sovereignty and freedom are in both the individual and the community.

Persons are points of consciousness, amid relationships. The key is self consciousness and identity.

Evidently, the individual is a point in a network(s). A tribe is a set of networks that is differentiated from others.

Tribalism is the reliance on a single network for identity, and the meeting of existential needs even when other tribes are involved.

This means we need to extend networks, and offer a wide range of opportunities to meet existential needs.

Education must now be focused on how one can meet his needs in an extended network.
FRM2011
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:33:22 PM
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wal6807 wrote:
Some minority communities control the economy and must be laughing at us as the "Big" tribes fight for leadership we have never learnt the art of influence without overt political power


@wal you have hit the nail right on the head. The wealthiest community in kenya both in absolute and per capita terms will be having 3 mps in the house. They will always thrive no matter who is in power. No wonder they treat the rest of us like trash unless ofcourse you sit in a tender committee.
wal6807
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:28:17 PM
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Food For thought :Apply to Kenyans and their tribes

“The Cold Within” by James Patrick Kinney: Poem.

The Cold Within

Six humans trapped by happenstance
In bleak and bitter cold.

Each one possessed a stick of wood
Or so the story’s told.
Their dying fire in need of logs

The first man held his back
For of the faces round the fire
He noticed one was black.

The next man looking ‘cross the way
Saw one not of his church
And couldn’t bring himself to give
The fire his stick of birch.

The third one sat in tattered clothes.
He gave his coat a hitch.
Why should his log be put to use
To warm the idle rich?

The rich man just sat back and thought
Of the wealth he had in store
And how to keep what he had earned
From the lazy shiftless poor.

The black man’s face bespoke revenge
As the fire passed from his sight.
For all he saw in his stick of wood
Was a chance to spite the white.

The last man of this forlorn group
Did nought except for gain.
Giving only to those who gave
Was how he played the game.

Their logs held tight in death’s still hands
Was proof of human sin.
They didn’t die from the cold without
They died from the cold within.



"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers."
•Socrates (470?-399 BC)
maka
#10 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:06:11 AM
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Its crazy out there the words being thrown left ryt and centre are just off the scale...I have friends who arent talking to each other,years of friendship gone down the drain people have taken this thing to heart...saw a pal of mine use the words "dirty dogs" I actually cringed literally at the sight of that....this is one year we are meant to praise,thank and glorify the Lord for all that he has done to us as a country,we have achieved quite a lot and with zeal and focus we can achieve quite a lot I have made a personal decision not to comment on anything politically divisive on this site if I wronged anyone am sorry,life has to continue no matter who is in power il have problems with them when they dont deliver on what they promise nothing more,nothing less...
possunt quia posse videntur
ChessMaster
#11 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:48:53 AM
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maka wrote:
Its crazy out there the words being thrown left ryt and centre are just off the scale...I have friends who arent talking to each other,years of friendship gone down the drain people have taken this thing to heart...saw a pal of mine use the words "dirty dogs" I actually cringed literally at the sight of that....this is one year we are meant to praise,thank and glorify the Lord for all that he has done to us as a country,we have achieved quite a lot and with zeal and focus we can achieve quite a lot I have made a personal decision not to comment on anything politically divisive on this site if I wronged anyone am sorry,life has to continue no matter who is in power il have problems with them when they dont deliver on what they promise nothing more,nothing less...


Applause Applause Applause
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
Wendz
#12 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:12:20 PM
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mwariama wrote:



Again let us be sober and avoid nasty situations. Kenyans are polarized. Look at such posts on facebook to get a feel.


I've read that facebook url again and i have decided, given that the author seems that learned and the comments contained therein, I bow. Please start a thread with "The way Backward"... I'll contribute there! Sad, very!
tycho
#13 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:44:01 PM
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Whatever the outcome in the Supreme Court, and the events thereafter, we will face the challenges of stopping the animosity amongst us, and implementing policies that will promote a new and integrating culture.

So far, we must remember that there's an acute need for ways and means of owning property, generating wealth and enjoying life.

Let us create sustainable inter and cross county events that will foster a new sense of identity.

Relationships will change due to the demands and privileges of mutualism.

Let us ask government bodies to open their doors to their citizens via cyberspace so that the individual may participate in day to day government activities.

Let us create social products that will transform the education sector. Let use social media as 'class rooms' to transform ourselves and promote peace by extending forgiveness and healing to others.
Annti_Christy
#14 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:39:49 PM
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Wendz wrote:
mwariama wrote:



Again let us be sober and avoid nasty situations. Kenyans are polarized. Look at such posts on facebook to get a feel.


I've read that facebook url again and i have decided, given that the author seems that learned and the comments contained therein, I bow. Please start a thread with "The way Backward"... I'll contribute there! Sad, very!


I regret being late to preserve your comment about a 'ǵame'. i was going to ask about more that 'game'.
Light Bearer
Annti_Christy
#15 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:52:43 PM
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tycho wrote:
Whatever the outcome in the Supreme Court, and the events thereafter, we will face the challenges of stopping the animosity amongst us, and implementing policies that will promote a new and integrating culture.

So far, we must remember that there's an acute need for ways and means of owning property, generating wealth and enjoying life.

Let us create sustainable inter and cross county events that will foster a new sense of identity.

Relationships will change due to the demands and privileges of mutualism.

Let us ask government bodies to open their doors to their citizens via cyberspace so that the individual may participate in day to day government activities.

Let us create social products that will transform the education sector. Let use social media as 'class rooms' to transform ourselves and promote peace by extending forgiveness and healing to others.



hello tycho. long time. what do you suggest your role will be in all this?
Light Bearer
kyt
#16 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:57:38 PM
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whatever we do people lets not do anything that will give the western media something to write and sell their newpapers or whatever else they seek to achieve.
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
tycho
#17 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:00:07 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
tycho wrote:
Whatever the outcome in the Supreme Court, and the events thereafter, we will face the challenges of stopping the animosity amongst us, and implementing policies that will promote a new and integrating culture.

So far, we must remember that there's an acute need for ways and means of owning property, generating wealth and enjoying life.

Let us create sustainable inter and cross county events that will foster a new sense of identity.

Relationships will change due to the demands and privileges of mutualism.

Let us ask government bodies to open their doors to their citizens via cyberspace so that the individual may participate in day to day government activities.

Let us create social products that will transform the education sector. Let use social media as 'class rooms' to transform ourselves and promote peace by extending forgiveness and healing to others.



hello tycho. long time. what do you suggest your role will be in all this?


Speaking and doing.
Annti_Christy
#18 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:07:09 PM
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maka wrote:
Its crazy out there the words being thrown left ryt and centre are just off the scale...I have friends who arent talking to each other,years of friendship gone down the drain people have taken this thing to heart...saw a pal of mine use the words "dirty dogs" I actually cringed literally at the sight of that....this is one year we are meant to praise,thank and glorify the Lord for all that he has done to us as a country,we have achieved quite a lot and with zeal and focus we can achieve quite a lot I have made a personal decision not to comment on anything politically divisive on this site if I wronged anyone am sorry,life has to continue no matter who is in power il have problems with them when they dont deliver on what they promise nothing more,nothing less...



Hii ni maneno ya maana unaongea hapa kabsaaa!

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Annti_Christy
#19 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:25:05 PM
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tycho wrote:


Speaking and doing.


Touché tycho, touché.
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tycho
#20 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:33:09 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
tycho wrote:


Speaking and doing.


Touché tycho, touché.


Thank you.
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