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kamau wa ngengi - mau mau OR homeguard?
VituVingiSana
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:31:00 AM
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I say homeguard while the real mau mau were murdered pre & post 1963

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kanda
#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:49:00 AM
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@vituvingi
kweli wewe vitu vingi. what does this have to do with anything. if you are still guessing the answer,then you are not a kenyan and hence have no bisiness asking the question in the first place!
Mainat
#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:53:00 AM
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Here is my uncollaborated conspiracy theory about Johnstone Kamau. Knowing the way a Briton's mind works,they realised they'd have to give Kenya independence sooner or later. But they needed somebody who could take care of their interests post-independence. Up stepped kenyatta who was given a cushy jail term in kapenguria to make him look like a warrior in exchange for giving him a free hand to rule Kenya as he wished (but keep it non-communist). And the rest is history...


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MADE
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:59:00 AM
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This guy had nothing to do with Mau Mau. He was in fact a Black Englishman juz like Sir Charles. He never appreciated the Land freedom fighters......we all know this. Who distorted our motherland history?

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Tusker Baridi
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:02:00 AM
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@mainat

And history is about to repeat inself as the older homeguards pass the batton to the neo homeguards aka Uhuru with the support of the marginalised masses. Dont you just love Kenyans,you steal from them a maindi choma,they lynch you instantly,you steal half of their arable land and they fall over each other to elect you MPigs,president etc. The bigger the loot the bigger the reward. So Kenyatta being the biggest thief of them all,the family gets rewarded with a monarchy. What smart people Kenyans are.
nanfor
#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:06:00 AM
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I am 100% convinced this is a social political issue that is about to explode all over Kenya. It does not take a genius to see that railway-uprooting thugs will soon graduate into mungikis.

However,I want to bring you a bit of Kenyan history. More specifically,the dismantling of the Kikuyu leadership structure that is the cause of most of these issues currently affecting Kenyans.

The Kikuyu democratic structure was divided among the Mutongoria,Njamba and Gitonga. There was then a last class of so-called lazy people called the Ahoi.  I think the names explain what they stood for.

It was impossible for Ahoi to be in the elder council unless they married into Gitonga families. If the Kihoi was intelligent enough,he could become a member of the council of elders albeit under Itonga.

The colonialist had to dismantle this system or they would fail. They did the same in the masaai,kalenjin and western communities to perfection.

Enter the missionary boys.

In case some of you are foolish,enough to think this is a Kikuyu phenomenon,then look at the list of missionary boys.

Moi,Njonjo,Majale (Julia Ojiambo),Johnstone Kamau wa Ngengi,Odinga,Nyong’o,Okondo,Awori,Ouko etc etc.

As you can see,they are still the who’s who in Kenya.

Let’s get Back to Ahoi

Ahoi were used for labour,security and other things that you see the mungiki doing. All to gain favour and hopefully be rewarded by marrying into the Gitonga.

Kenyatta was sent out as a muhoi only to return and marry into Gitonga for him to be accepted into the council of elders. Albeit under an Itonga in this case it is thought to have been Koinange. Now you know why he loved Koinange so much.

After independence,the Itonga took the big chunks of white land. The Ahoi were shipped to Rift Valley. There other Ahoi from Kalenjin and Masai were rewarded. These were Moi,Seroney and Towett.

Odinga was instrumental in this relocation of Ahoi’s from each and every tribe. Even in the coast you will find some Luo Ahoi. However,Tom Mboya,the blue eyed boy started sidelining him and that is when Odinga pretended to see the light.

I will not belabour history but you can see where I am heading. This mungiki thing is 1960’s redux.

The Gitonga are using the Ahoi again and the Ahoi will be dumped just as the Mau Mau were dumped.

By the way,Tusker,I can give you the exact same rundown for each and every tribe in Kenya. The white man systematically destroyed the African democratic structure and the Ahoi or missionary boys are about to do it again in every province in Kenya.

So I say again. Kenya will not be safe until we get rid of ALL and I mean each and every one of these guys who are still in parliament. They are the descendants of the Missionary Boys of Alliance High School.


kanda
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:13:00 AM
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@MainaT
i am happy you have called it a conspiracy theory. actually there could be some truth in your theory. but i dont think the brits had hatched that plan so early. by the time they were taking kamau to kape,i think they were hoping to silence him.
Tusker Baridi
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:14:00 AM
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@nanfor

Wow,so Agikuyu had a caste system? I learn something new everyday hapa SK. That explains a lot about our friends from the slopes,but be assured that the caste system still exists in Kikuyuland,ableit unnofficially.
nanfor
#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:45:00 AM
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History is a good teacher. But from comments on this board it is obvious there is something seriously amiss with the 8-4-4 system.

This is why you will find some people vehemently supporting Kenyans killing other Kenyans. After all if the poor fight,they will continue buying shares using SK ideas. Remember how the ahoi's were all hoodwinked into buying safaricom shares and even equity shares? They are buying them from Itonga.

And no Kenyatta was never in the Mau Mau whatever his family claims. He was just a muhoi who married into Itonga. same for Kibaki. Why do you think he holds press conferences?

By the way,all this information can be easily found at the Murumbi Museum. Instead of buying a booze,take some time and learn why you are so broke and the gov't doesn't do anything about things they would otherwise deal with.



Njunge
#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:58:00 AM
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TB,

Residents of Kileleswa or Donholm cannot refer to the people of Kibera or Korogocho as castes......There is a difference between class and caste.The former appears in all communities............On another note,there were no structural ruling system amongst the Gikuyu.Talk about a council whose membership was not structured as indicated elsewhere........That is a total misrepresentation......BTW,for those in the know,what is the meaning of the word KIHOI.....??....and as used does it make any sense?........huh??.


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