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hisah
#3221 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:31:13 AM
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Precious gold loses its shine while Dow powers to new all time record - http://www.reuters.com/a...s-idUSL4N0BX3T920130305

What this article doesn't mention is if Dow is priced in gold and not USD, it's 50% down since the Oct 2007 all time high! Same case applies to euros, yens, pounds, yuan etc - all fiat ccys trail gold. But mainstream media has to do its job of shepherding the mass...

Meanwhile as gold turns into an ugly investment as preached by the media, CBs continue buying - http://www.bloomberg.com...-central-banks-buy.html and then http://www.cnbc.com/id/100518163

The gold market is in a holy grail setup if you look at 2014... For now the cheaper & uglier it gets, the better smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3222 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:42:21 AM
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@kk, cde, ceinz you'll laugh at this lamestream USD hegemony defensive rhetoric - http://www.reuters.com/a...n-idUSBRE92415Z20130305
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Ceinz
#3223 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:12:04 AM
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hisah wrote:
@kk, cde, ceinz you'll laugh at this lamestream USD hegemony defensive rhetoric - http://www.reuters.com/a...n-idUSBRE92415Z20130305


Quite expected, a brainwash strategy geared at diverting attention to the reality:: yuan taking over.
“small step for man”
hisah
#3224 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:15:34 PM
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And the winner is? http://www.economist.com...second-round-and-winner

This economist article is dated March 9 2013... WTH



$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
ChessMaster
#3225 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:23:39 PM
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hisah wrote:
And the winner is? http://www.economist.com...second-round-and-winner

This economist article is dated March 9 2013... WTH





Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
This week journalists are just getting me mad
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
hisah
#3226 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:58:19 PM
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Berlusconi to do time... Italy is churning a lot high voltage news of late - http://www.aljazeera.com.../201337113357106411.html
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3227 Posted : Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:17:05 PM
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Now they're not only too big to fail, but too big to jail Brick wall Not talking All time high BS this... http://www.marketwatch.c...o-big-to-jail-2013-03-07
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3228 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 1:49:31 AM
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Paulson feels the heat as gold tanks in 2013 - http://www.reuters.com/a...on-idUSBRE9261AB20130307
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
ChessMaster
#3229 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 9:30:39 AM
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karanjakinuthia
#3230 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 9:47:18 AM
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@Hisah. None of the world's reserve currencies (Greece, Roman, Byzantium, British) has lasted forever and indeed the U.S. Dollar will not escape that destiny. We are seeing capital flight from Europe and Japan strengthen the USD just like in the Debt Crisis of 1931 which is confusing analysts. From the peak of Britain in 1914, it took about 30 years to the Bretton Woods meeting in 1944 for the U.S. Dollar to emerge as the reserve currency of the world. Thus, we have a number of years ahead before the Yuan can claim the top spot.

"Growing demand has led China's yuan to overtake the Russian ruble as a currency used for global payments, according to SWIFT, a messaging system used by international banks.

SWIFT, or the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, said on Wednesday that use of the yuan in January jumped 24 percent from December, enabling it to capture 0.63 percent of global payments, an all-time high. That made it the 13th most-used currency overall, ahead of the ruble and Danish krone, according to SWIFT...."

Read more:

http://usa.chinadaily.co...28/content_16263895.htm

hisah wrote:
@kk, cde, ceinz you'll laugh at this lamestream USD hegemony defensive rhetoric - http://www.reuters.com/a...n-idUSBRE92415Z20130305

karanjakinuthia
#3231 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 10:06:18 AM
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@Hisah. History loves re-runs:

"As early as the time of Cicero and Varro, it was the opinion of the Roman augurs, that the twelve vultures which Romulus had seen, represented the twelve centuries, assigned for the fatal period of his city. ^75 This
prophecy, disregarded perhaps in the season of health and prosperity, inspired the people with gloomy apprehensions, when the twelfth century, clouded with disgrace and misfortune, was almost elapsed; ^76 and even posterity must acknowledge with some surprise, that the arbitrary interpretation of an accidental or fabulous circumstance has been seriously verified in the downfall of the Western empire. But its fall was announced by a clearer omen than the flight of vultures: the Roman government appeared every day less
formidable to its enemies, more odious and oppressive to its subjects. ^77 The taxes were multiplied with the public distress; economy was neglected in proportion as it became necessary; and the injustice of the rich shifted the unequal burden from themselves to the people, whom they defrauded of the indulgences that might sometimes have alleviated their misery. The severe inquisition which confiscated their goods, and tortured their persons, compelled the subjects of Valentinian to prefer the more simple tyranny of the Barbarians, to fly to the woods and mountains, or to embrace the vile and abject condition of mercenary servants. They abjured and abhorred the name of Roman citizens, which had formerly excited the ambition of mankind.
The Armorican provinces of Gaul, and the greatest part of Spain, were-thrown into a state of disorderly independence, by the confederations of the Bagaudae; and the Imperial ministers pursued with proscriptive laws, and ineffectual arms, the rebels whom they had made. ^78 If all the Barbarian conquerors had been annihilated in the same hour, their total destruction would not have restored the empire of the West: and if Rome still survived, she survived the loss of freedom, of virtue, and of honor." Gibbon, Edward. The Decline and Fall of Rome Book 3, pg 217

"to fly to the woods and mountains" was to flee from the thirsty taxmen in Rome to the countryside or "suburbia" the term from which suburbanization emanates.

[quote=hisah]@kk - matters taxes again. Some americans are renouncing their citizenship coz of taxes...

http://www.telegraph.co....thanks-to-tax-rise.html[/quote]
ChessMaster
#3232 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 10:13:07 AM
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karanjakinuthia wrote:
@Hisah. History loves re-runs:

"As early as the time of Cicero and Varro, it was the opinion of the Roman augurs, that the twelve vultures which Romulus had seen, represented the twelve centuries, assigned for the fatal period of his city. ^75 This
prophecy, disregarded perhaps in the season of health and prosperity, inspired the people with gloomy apprehensions, when the twelfth century, clouded with disgrace and misfortune, was almost elapsed; ^76 and even posterity must acknowledge with some surprise, that the arbitrary interpretation of an accidental or fabulous circumstance has been seriously verified in the downfall of the Western empire. But its fall was announced by a clearer omen than the flight of vultures: the Roman government appeared every day less
formidable to its enemies, more odious and oppressive to its subjects. ^77 The taxes were multiplied with the public distress; economy was neglected in proportion as it became necessary; and the injustice of the rich shifted the unequal burden from themselves to the people, whom they defrauded of the indulgences that might sometimes have alleviated their misery. The severe inquisition which confiscated their goods, and tortured their persons, compelled the subjects of Valentinian to prefer the more simple tyranny of the Barbarians, to fly to the woods and mountains, or to embrace the vile and abject condition of mercenary servants. They abjured and abhorred the name of Roman citizens, which had formerly excited the ambition of mankind.
The Armorican provinces of Gaul, and the greatest part of Spain, were-thrown into a state of disorderly independence, by the confederations of the Bagaudae; and the Imperial ministers pursued with proscriptive laws, and ineffectual arms, the rebels whom they had made. ^78 If all the Barbarian conquerors had been annihilated in the same hour, their total destruction would not have restored the empire of the West: and if Rome still survived, she survived the loss of freedom, of virtue, and of honor." Gibbon, Edward. The Decline and Fall of Rome Book 3, pg 217

"to fly to the woods and mountains" was to flee from the thirsty taxmen in Rome to the countryside or "suburbia" the term from which suburbanization emanates.

hisah wrote:
@kk - matters taxes again. Some americans are renouncing their citizenship coz of taxes...

http://www.telegraph.co....thanks-to-tax-rise.html



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-02/the-danger-of-living-on-bread-and-circuses-alice-schroeder.html
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
hisah
#3233 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 10:31:42 AM
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@kk - that's some really interest stuff. I wonder where 'sururbia' will be in future... Did you see the French billionaire who renounced his citizenship for Belgium in order to escape taxes as well as move his entire biz empire?! Had a look at the Patriot Act, which will penalize citizen renouncement due to tax avoidance? It's becoming a tax economy everywhere as innovative capitalism is smashed without regard!

Global recovery = Taxes cesspool
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3234 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 10:55:41 AM
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I wonder if this banking software frequent breakdown will be the bank run market event waiting to happen - http://www.guardiannews....mers-leave-bank-it-crash
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3235 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 4:41:02 PM
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US jobless rate (7.7%) falls to the lowest level since Dec 2008. Indeed global recovery Liar

Now waiting for US markets to open with bulls running riot...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
youcan'tstopusnow
#3236 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 4:59:15 PM
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hisah wrote:
Now they're not only too big to fail, but too big to jail Brick wall Not talking All time high BS this... http://www.marketwatch.c...-big-to-jail-2013-03-07

Wow! That is something for the AG to admit. That there, is the definition of impunity, if you ever needed one. So the banks basically commit transgressions knowing that they have a free pass if caught...

GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
youcan'tstopusnow
#3237 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 5:08:36 PM
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hisah wrote:
Paulson feels the heat as gold tanks in 2013 - http://www.reuters.com/a...n-idUSBRE9261AB20130307

hisah, how soon do you expect gold's fortunes to turn? Or what will be the catalysing event to gold turning bullish?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
youcan'tstopusnow
#3238 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 5:25:51 PM
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Barclays paid 428 staff more than £1m in year Libor scandal hit reputation
Annual report shows bank paid five staff more than £5m in 2012 – but half its 140,000 staff earned less than £25,000
http://www.guardian.co.u...ay-staff-millions-libor
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
hisah
#3239 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 6:32:27 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
Paulson feels the heat as gold tanks in 2013 - http://www.reuters.com/a...n-idUSBRE9261AB20130307

hisah, how soon do you expect gold's fortunes to turn? Or what will be the catalysing event to gold turning bullish?

Most likely another euroland debt surprise.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3240 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2013 6:39:13 PM
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hisah wrote:
US jobless rate (7.7%) falls to the lowest level since Dec 2008. Indeed global recovery Liar

Now waiting for US markets to open with bulls running riot...

As expected, sell the news... Less unemployment means helicopter ben needs to prepare the USD sprayer helicopter for landing pouring cold water on markets.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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