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Kenya power posts 36 pct profit jump in FY 2012
Aguytrying
#101 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:30:58 PM
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murchr wrote:
[quote=Aguytrying]@muchr. And kplc expects a 30% increase in revenue if tarrifs are increased as they propose


They always come short of their targets, read this http://www.kplc.co.ke/fi...13_Detailed_Version.pdf[/quote]

I respect the way you discuss. I've seen their projections and actual results.

In light of this, i still see an investment case, because even as it is the company is undervalued.
The new tarrifs should increase earnings (maybe not according to their projections). I see opportunity here if the market sells of KPLC due to poor earnings this fy year.
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murchr
#102 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:54:08 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
murchr wrote:
[quote=Aguytrying]@muchr. And kplc expects a 30% increase in revenue if tarrifs are increased as they propose


They always come short of their targets, read this http://www.kplc.co.ke/fi...13_Detailed_Version.pdf[/quote]

I respect the way you discuss. I've seen their projections and actual results.

In light of this, i still see an investment case, because even as it is the company is undervalued.
The new tarrifs should increase earnings (maybe not according to their projections). I see opportunity here if the market sells of KPLC due to poor earnings this fy year.



Yes, at 12-14/- I think i shall be tempted
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#103 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:33:27 AM
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http://www.businessdaily...32/-/pd6i4v/-/index.html
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Aguytrying
#104 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:57:38 AM
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murchr wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya-Power-seeks-Sh29bn-Chinese-loan-/-/539552/1704832/-/pd6i4v/-/index.html


I have become increasingly uncomfortable with the debt kengen and kplc want to take up.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Kausha
#105 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:48:11 AM
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@aguy...been ranting about this, while @deal and co want to slit my throat. I just think it's outright stupid for government to make it KPLC's oh sorry consumers responsibility to regenerate the grid! Either government sets up a sinking fund or grants KPLC some MoE budget to regenerate the grid or alternatively make it Ketraco's work.

Again enter Exim bank of China and more no minimal economic effects for Kenya. For those who have experience with Exim banks esp the chinese one we know very well even the 'sululu' that digs the trench to bury the cable will come from china. The only thing we will provide will be MANUAL labor. If it was a government funded project, EA Cables and other domestic cable companies would have a great opportunity to grow their businesses and create jobs. Meanwhile our young and upcoming engineers would have a first crack at the jobs in these project. However now we expect Li Xiang or Wing Wong to do this job working for China 'hauwui' while we consumers will repay the loans! Sad day for Kenya. We need to regenerate the grid but not with Chinese loans!
mlennyma
#106 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:53:50 AM
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Having sold my kplc,iam liquid and praying for the worst to happen to take position.
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murchr
#107 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:01:42 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...2/-/2mmtqd/-/index.html

I like this

Quote:
The power distribution firm also benefitted from a Sh868 million increase in other income which include fibre optic lease charges, reconnection charges and miscellaneous sales.



How low can this ship sink, i might just get some...is 14 feasible?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mlennyma
#108 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:13:37 PM
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Just be here for other reasons not dividends,the guys are very mean and need additional capital.
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holycow
#109 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:34:12 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Just be here for other reasons not dividends,the guys are very mean and need additional capital.


http://www.businessdailyafrica....62/-/2mmtqd/-/index.html

The folks are really mean, no interim dividend.
Aguytrying
#110 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:37:45 PM
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Kausha wrote:
@aguy...been ranting about this, while @deal and co want to slit my throat. I just think it's outright stupid for government to make it KPLC's oh sorry consumers responsibility to regenerate the grid! Either government sets up a sinking fund or grants KPLC some MoE budget to regenerate the grid or alternatively make it Ketraco's work.

Again enter Exim bank of China and more no minimal economic effects for Kenya. For those who have experience with Exim banks esp the chinese one we know very well even the 'sululu' that digs the trench to bury the cable will come from china. The only thing we will provide will be MANUAL labor. If it was a government funded project, EA Cables and other domestic cable companies would have a great opportunity to grow their businesses and create jobs. Meanwhile our young and upcoming engineers would have a first crack at the jobs in these project. However now we expect Li Xiang or Wing Wong to do this job working for China 'hauwui' while we consumers will repay the loans! Sad day for Kenya. We need to regenerate the grid but not with Chinese loans!


A very important criteria to me is the debt and aggressiveness a company demonstrates. History doesn't favour such radical actions. Yes they may pull it off. however the stock becomes that much more risky and less attractive.
At times like these its easy not to see (or question) the challenges and early signs that may become clearer later.
I'm not saying its doom and gloom for KENG n KPLC however, i question the appetite for debt and aggressive speed in expanding. because i think a slower (less leveraged) expansion would have still provided enough power judging the projected increase in demand.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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