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Wakanyugi wrote:Quote:Yes. All isn't illusion. @Tycho: you may have answered this already. But please indulge me. What is NOT illusion? Let me be charitable and attempt this one. We say My name? My hand? My head? My thoughts. Now supposing we gave you another name.. Will the 'My' change? If we cut off your hand, will 'My' change? What if we finally cut off your head, changed your thoughts.. What will happen to 'My' One would argue that 'I' is the soul haboured in your body. The danger is equating that 'I' with God and negating the need for Him. One then ceases to be God's creation and becomes god himself. Its why we have cults mushrooming everywhere including here in Wazua. A small god with his lost followers
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. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Asi! Mboss, those are big guns. I see you've answered the question emphatic vs judgemental?
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Mukiri wrote:Asi! Mboss, those are big guns. I see you've answered the question emphatic vs judgemental? Sorry and thank you.You've showed me something about myself that I will correct at any cost. But explain this for me Mukiri wrote:Its why we have cults mushrooming everywhere including here in Wazua. A small god with his lost followers Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Mukiri has answered well on what is real. The only thing he hasn't understood is what is its essence.
The 'I' gives way to the illusion of an 'another cult'. Now you only need to quote the Bible and think more.
'I am, who I am'.
Good work Mukiri!
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@tycho - The 'I' does exist and it acts on real things. What differentiates between what I believe in and what I have faith in is,you can leave room for illusion in belief but not faith. Finality in terms of conclusively was in terms of defining what is.God exists,life exists,reality exists,illusion exists but to define them I can't at most just aspects of them.Eternity is like perfection,you never see the end of it but the pursuit is pleasurable and rewarding. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - The 'I' does exist and it acts on real things. What differentiates between what I believe in and what I have faith in is,you can leave room for illusion in belief but not faith. Finality in terms of conclusively was in terms of defining what is.God exists,life exists,reality exists,illusion exists but to define them I can't at most just aspects of them.Eternity is like perfection,you never see the end of it but the pursuit is pleasurable and rewarding. What has been a blurred image will now be clearly seen. Once the 'I' is established, or for @Mukiri's sake, when the self is lost for the Self, then everything becomes real. Even perfection is attainable.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The language 'instinct' is simply the I seeking stability.
So at most times when we speak, we exhibit our inner psychological states for criticism or affirmation in order to establish reality.
But in perfection, speech is more about revealing and establishing the other.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Perfection, is thus the power to name.
Adam was given the power to name, thus, he had the capacity for perfection. He was created perfect.
But the devil corrupted him.
And when redemption came, Man's perfection was re-established.
This, is the meaning of being 'born again'. Perfection.
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ChessMaster wrote:Mukiri wrote:Asi! Mboss, those are big guns. I see you've answered the question emphatic vs judgemental? Sorry and thank you.You've showed me something about myself that I will correct at any cost. But explain this for me Mukiri wrote:Its why we have cults mushrooming everywhere including here in Wazua. A small god with his lost followers Is that what struck a raw nerve? I'm curious did you equate yourself with the 'god' or the 'follower'? Exodus 20:3-6, Matthew 22:36-38 Chunga sana! Show me where you spend your time and I will show you your god. Show me where you spend your money and I will show you your god. There is your explanation. Genesis 2:7 God blew your 'I' into you. That is all you need to know. Adam and Eve sought answers, something your are fervently doing. You know how that ended Genesis Chapter 3. Our mission here is simple Matthew 6:33. The rest, Deuteronomy 29:29.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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To say 'God blew YOUR I into YOU and that's all you need to KNOW' is to lie or misunderstand Scripture, and to assume power and authority that is illegitimate.
For example, how does YOUR exist before the creation, if it is not HIS, in the first place?
But perfection is also about listening for Yourself (myself).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Mukiri wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Mukiri wrote:Asi! Mboss, those are big guns. I see you've answered the question emphatic vs judgemental? Sorry and thank you.You've showed me something about myself that I will correct at any cost. But explain this for me Mukiri wrote:Its why we have cults mushrooming everywhere including here in Wazua. A small god with his lost followers Is that what struck a raw nerve? I'm curious did you equate yourself with the 'god' or the 'follower'?Exodus 20:3-6, Matthew 22:36-38 Chunga sana! Show me where you spend your time and I will show you your god. Show me where you spend your money and I will show you your god. There is your explanation. Genesis 2:7 God blew your 'I' into you. That is all you need to know. Adam and Eve sought answers, something your are fervently doing. You know how that ended Genesis Chapter 3. Our mission here is simple Matthew 6:33. The rest, Deuteronomy 29:29. I thought you did Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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tycho wrote:To say 'God blew YOUR I into YOU and that's all you need to KNOW' is to lie or misunderstand Scripture, and to assume power and authority that is illegitimate.
For example, how does YOUR exist before the creation, if it is not HIS, in the first place?
But perfection is also about listening for Yourself (myself).
There you are. Read for yourself. Do not be seduced, it can only lead to a downfall. I know nothing and I'm content Deuteronomy 29:29. I choose Matthew 6:33.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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I'll take my own advice when this thread started. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Truth is like a diamond.You can look at it from all angles but you'll never see through it.Faith is the only decipher! Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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Sorry guys. I got distracted. But I see you have not given up. Mukiri, Tycho, Chessmaster et al; I appreciate your comments. I'll get back to you shortly. For now, three quick points, if I may: - That reality is illusion is a fact. But you may not get it if you try to 'think.' I suggest you 'feel' - Example "So you think that was an election we just had?" Yes I am misquoting 'The Matrix,' but simply to make a point. Can you, feel, the point? - If you knew for sure that heaven did not exist, would you stop believing in God? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:Sorry guys. I got distracted.
But I see you have not given up. Mukiri, Tycho, Chessmaster et al; I appreciate your comments. I'll get back to you shortly.
For now, three quick points, if I may:
- That reality is illusion is a fact. But you may not get it if you try to 'think.' I suggest you 'feel'
- Example "So you think that was an election we just had?" Yes I am misquoting 'The Matrix,' but simply to make a point. Can you, feel, the point?
- If you knew for sure that heaven did not exist, would you stop believing in God?
Hahaha! So you acknowledge 'fact' and 'knowledge'? What's an 'election'? What is 'heaven'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Faced by the overwhelming mystery of the unknown,the ego creates illusion to shield the self.It lets in pleasure while attempting to keep out pain.This is imbalance for it is based neither on reality nor truth.This is what makes pain and pleasure the masters of many. Embrace truth into your life.The paradox of truth,the ultimate paradox!It sets you free by enslaving you. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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As humans we can only see a part of the light spectrum,hear a limited range,and so on with the rest of the senses.If we had superhuman abilities we could see the vibrations of sounds,hear light,taste air and so on.
This limited sample makes the base of our reality and even what we can see we reject with out actions.Put in our desires and hopeful ambitions and we've got a recipe for illusion.
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