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Kengen has bolted!
Aguytrying
#141 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 9:37:08 AM
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murchr wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/KenGen-lines-up-asset-backed-bond-sale/-/539552/1700880/-/oluh4nz/-/index.html


Im i the only one not over the moon with this?

Yes the company will avoid a rights issue. However, the cash generated from geothermal will go into paying this bond over 20 years. Kengen as of now has geothermal production contributing to its bottom line. This earning will now go into paying the bond, so less earning on the bottom line.
So as a rights issue dilutes by increasing the number of shares, this will dilute by decreasing the earnings attributable to shareholders.

and the bond is so huge( if there are such clauses), if unforseen events occurred it can swallow a company. 437 billion.

What we need to know is, how much does geothermal contribute right now to the bottom line.
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mwekez@ji
#142 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 9:46:58 AM
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Tough balancing act here, Debt Vs Equity (rights issue) Vs a mixture of the two
Cde Monomotapa
#143 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 9:58:43 AM
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IMO, this is to be thought separately. 1. The Asset Backed Bond (ABB) is a (specific) charge/mortgage on the steam & plants to be built from the ABB funds, and revenues from them will (specifically) repay the ABB holders. 2. The existing plants & revenues will continue servicing in general all the debt KGN already has (PIBO, multi-lateral e.t.c), and won't in anyway service the ABB commitment.
Cde Monomotapa
#144 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:17:54 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
1. The Asset Backed Bond (ABB) is a (specific) charge/mortgage on the steam & plants to be built from the ABB funds, and revenues from them will (specifically) repay the ABB holders.

In otherwords, KGN has a plot and approaches you for debt finance to build real-estate. The security being the plot (steam), the houses (plants) & that you'll be repaid from the rent (revenues) over time [all factors held constant]. IMHO
mwekez@ji
#145 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:24:29 AM
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The financial requirements here are mindboggling. The ABB will raise KES 30bn but KenGen estimates that it needs USD 5bn (KES 437bn) in the next five years to reach a goal of doubling total generating capacity to 3,000 MW by 2018.
Aguytrying
#146 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:31:03 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
1. The Asset Backed Bond (ABB) is a (specific) charge/mortgage on the steam & plants to be built from the ABB funds, and revenues from them will (specifically) repay the ABB holders.

In otherwords, KGN has a plot and approaches you for debt finance to build real-estate. The security being the plot (steam), the houses (plants) & that you'll be repaid from the rent (revenues) over time [all factors held constant]. IMHO


You are right. The current revenues from steam wont go into the ABB.

However the current steam drilled will be used as collateral.

“We plan to use the steam already drilled as collateral to raise additional affordable capital from the market. We shall use this capital to build power plants and use the revenue from the sale of power to pay those who have invested in us,” said Mr Njoroge during a tour of the Olkaria Geothermal Power plant in Naivasha.

would i then be correct in saying that the growth in profits attributable to shareholders will now remain in hydro, thermal and wind?

Since the increase in geothermal production will go into bond payment hence not attributable to shareholders.
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mkonomtupu
#147 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:33:23 AM
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As we continue to debate the complex transactions, the mbus is coming back 10.55/= prints
Cde Monomotapa
#148 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:36:23 AM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
As we continue to debate the complex transactions, the mbus is coming back 10.55/= prints

Indeed. Mafwans wengine wamegoma! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Cde Monomotapa
#149 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:42:52 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
1. The Asset Backed Bond (ABB) is a (specific) charge/mortgage on the steam & plants to be built from the ABB funds, and revenues from them will (specifically) repay the ABB holders.

In otherwords, KGN has a plot and approaches you for debt finance to build real-estate. The security being the plot (steam), the houses (plants) & that you'll be repaid from the rent (revenues) over time [all factors held constant]. IMHO


You are right. The current revenues from steam wont go into the ABB.

However the current steam drilled will be used as collateral.

“We plan to use the steam already drilled as collateral to raise additional affordable capital from the market. We shall use this capital to build power plants and use the revenue from the sale of power to pay those who have invested in us,” said Mr Njoroge during a tour of the Olkaria Geothermal Power plant in Naivasha.

would i then be correct in saying that the growth in profits attributable to shareholders will now remain in hydro, thermal and wind?

Since the increase in geothermal production will go into bond payment hence not attributable to shareholders.

Hehe..something like that but the Prospectus will be the truth & management needs to come out with it's own statement pronto. I personally not taking-in BD's version [away from the ABB part] wholesale - it's spooking. (a Buy?)
the deal
#150 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:44:59 AM
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Hey the cash flows from the geothermal plant will be used to pay interest on the bond...the rest goes to KenGen...an ABB results in creation of an SPV which will not be part of the KenGen balance sheet...so no risk to KenGen at all...in case of a default....bond investors will go for the geothermal fields not KenGen....putting in a bid now before interim earnings next week.
Cde Monomotapa
#151 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:49:44 AM
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the deal wrote:
Hey the cash flows from the geothermal plant will be used to pay interest on the bond...the rest goes to KenGen...an ABB results in creation of an SPV which will not be part of the KenGen balance sheet...so no risk to KenGen at all...in case of a default....bond investors will go for the geothermal fields not KenGen....

^Seconded.
Pick n Pay
#152 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 10:51:49 AM
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Keep falling. We are waiting to collect at a dirt cheap price. Keep falling.
Greed is fear.
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#153 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 12:02:35 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
As we continue to debate the complex transactions, the mbus is coming back 10.55/= prints

Indeed. Mafwans wengine wamegoma! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


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Aguytrying
#154 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 12:09:41 PM
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@cde. My take home message here is. Kengens earnings stay as they are for the medium term with growth coming from wind.
Geothermal growth will not attributable to shareholders only existing capacity. I dont expect the company to create other geothermal plants other than those in the ABB in the foreseable future.

So we are left with kengen as it is, but with reduced earnings growth prospect. Kengen as it is is grossly undervalued so it still remains a good fair value play for me, however the pot has been unsweetened.
Lets await managements details BD has its challenges.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Cde Monomotapa
#155 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 12:27:37 PM
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@Aguy That's a good a posture as two distinct issues. Infact, now I see how KGN will kill 2 birds with 1 stone w/o overly burdening itself i.e do the Rights under KGN-1 & the ABB separately & everybody wins. Only tricks will be whether the mkt will have capacity, the timings e.t.c Over to management. In the meantime, just keep calm.
Kausha
#156 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 12:35:56 PM
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I have been complaining about the value destruction going on in this company and now the details are becoming clear. I can bet you Kengen will have to pay a premium to get the Kshs 30B and a good premium if at all they get the money. Using the last completed greenfield projects (Kipevu 3 and Sondu miriu)it appears Kengens capacity acquisition rate is USD1m/MW of thermal elec. and USD1.3m/MW of hydroelec. I will check out the same for geothermal. The question that begs then is why does Kengen need USD 5B for 2000MW. Using it's current costs they only beed USD 2B for the missing 2,000mw.

Second gripe, of the Kshs 25B PIBO, some of the amounts were to be used for the 280mw olkaria III geothermal and current equity investors have been servicing this PIBO debt and other debt (in other words forgoing dividends) so that Olkaria 3 can be built and they can enjoy higher divys. Now it turns out Olkaria 3 proceeds will go towards supporting the ABS. Surely if that's the truth management is being conish and insencere to equity investors.

I have said it before the financial structure of kengen and business plan is not sincere and who knows what becomes of it once regimes change. KPLC forecasts indicate demand for power will be 2,250 in 2018 including reserve capacity. Why is kengen adding 800mw of unwanted capacity. Then if indeed we have found oil, thermal power capacity is the cheapest to acquire but thermal power costs more to generate - cost of oil, with locally sourced oil generation cost will drop massively, shouldn't this be factored into Kengen's plan. The reality is that we will need a refinery either in Turkana, Kitale or even Mombasa but at whichever point you will need thermal power plants to consume the sludge from the refinery. Why is Kengen not revising the USD 5B plan?? To honest as equity investor, this is the time to dump this stock in masses...there is no future for this stock, it might as well revert to GoK and operate like KPA. Absolute value destruction of equity investors!
dunkang
#157 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 12:36:58 PM
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the deal
#158 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 1:21:49 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@cde. My take home message here is. Kengens earnings stay as they are for the medium term with growth coming from wind.
Geothermal growth will not attributable to shareholders only existing capacity. I dont expect the company to create other geothermal plants other than those in the ABB in the foreseable future.


So we are left with kengen as it is, but with reduced earnings growth prospect. Kengen as it is is grossly undervalued so it still remains a good fair value play for me, however the pot has been unsweetened.
Lets await managements details BD has its challenges.

Hmmm you seem not to understand what an ABS is? How has the pot been unsweetened? The pot has just been sweetened...the risk was how they're going to execute the whole geothermal thing and the finance part was the main hurdle.
the deal
#159 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 1:28:13 PM
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Kausha wrote:
I have been complaining about the value destruction going on in this company and now the details are becoming clear. I can bet you Kengen will have to pay a premium to get the Kshs 30B and a good premium if at all they get the money. Using the last completed greenfield projects (Kipevu 3 and Sondu miriu)it appears Kengens capacity acquisition rate is USD1m/MW of thermal elec. and USD1.3m/MW of hydroelec. I will check out the same for geothermal. The question that begs then is why does Kengen need USD 5B for 2000MW. Using it's current costs they only beed USD 2B for the missing 2,000mw.

Second gripe, of the Kshs 25B PIBO, some of the amounts were to be used for the 280mw olkaria III geothermal and current equity investors have been servicing this PIBO debt and other debt (in other words forgoing dividends) so that Olkaria 3 can be built and they can enjoy higher divys. Now it turns out Olkaria 3 proceeds will go towards supporting the ABS. Surely if that's the truth management is being conish and insencere to equity investors.

I have said it before the financial structure of kengen and business plan is not sincere and who knows what becomes of it once regimes change. KPLC forecasts indicate demand for power will be 2,250 in 2018 including reserve capacity. Why is kengen adding 800mw of unwanted capacity. Then if indeed we have found oil, thermal power capacity is the cheapest to acquire but thermal power costs more to generate - cost of oil, with locally sourced oil generation cost will drop massively, shouldn't this be factored into Kengen's plan. The reality is that we will need a refinery either in Turkana, Kitale or even Mombasa but at whichever point you will need thermal power plants to consume the sludge from the refinery. Why is Kengen not revising the USD 5B plan?? To honest as equity investor, this is the time to dump this stock in masses...there is no future for this stock, it might as well revert to GoK and operate like KPA. Absolute value destruction of equity investors!


Bunch of crap...this is what myopic thinking does to someone...power can be exported...Kenya currently imports power from Uganda and wants to import power from Ethiopia, geothermal is cheap, available 24/7 no weather risk plus its clean meaning extra revenues in form of carbon credits..lets compare notes going forward...you will see how KenGen performs.
Aguytrying
#160 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 1:46:08 PM
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the deal wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@cde. My take home message here is. Kengens earnings stay as they are for the medium term with growth coming from wind.
Geothermal growth will not attributable to shareholders only existing capacity. I dont expect the company to create other geothermal plants other than those in the ABB in the foreseable future.


So we are left with kengen as it is, but with reduced earnings growth prospect. Kengen as it is is grossly undervalued so it still remains a good fair value play for me, however the pot has been unsweetened.
Lets await managements details BD has its challenges.

Hmmm you seem not to understand what an ABS is? How has the pot been unsweetened? The pot has just been sweetened...the risk was how they're going to execute the whole geothermal thing and the finance part was the main hurdle.


Unsweetened because. Earnings growth for shareholders isnow reduced. Reduced because the new geothermal proceeds will now go to service the bond. Get it?
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