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NIC Bank 2012 fy results
mibbz
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:55:39 PM
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ksh 1 on a share thats over 40 bob while sameer africa a 4 bob share gives an interim dividend of .25
guru267
#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:02:22 PM
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mibbz wrote:
ksh 1 on a share thats over 40 bob while sameer africa a 4 bob share gives an interim dividend of .25


No one has ever bought NIC for dividends!
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mibbz
#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:33:47 PM
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guru267 wrote:
mibbz wrote:
ksh 1 on a share thats over 40 bob while sameer africa a 4 bob share gives an interim dividend of .25


No one has ever bought NIC for dividends!


look at the market,dividends excite the share price up resulting in capital gains sometimes a loss,a good example is eabl.it touched 303 pre announcement and was it 277 today?
Mumias share has all the fundamentals of a good buy but anticipated low dividends are holding down the price,now at 4.6
Await KQ to announce a loss with no dividends then see the share price tumble down towards the 7 bob region
mwekez@ji
#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:45:56 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Non funded income contributed 35% to Total Operaring IncomeApplause Applause Applause


applause, however, the figure could have been overstated since loan loss recoveries are included in other operating income which represents 24% of Non Interest Income
mwekez@ji
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:52:22 PM
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EPS - KES 6.03
NBV - KES 27.55

at the current share price of KES 45.50

P/E - 7.55x
P/B - 1.65x

There is some headroom for the share price
mibbz
#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:10:04 PM
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asked a question in the hfck thread and nobody replied.what does deferred tax mean? shall it be paid at a future date or does the company await to claim it via not receiving refunds and instead paying that deferred tax. NB i have zero accounting knowledge
guru267
#17 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:57:50 AM
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mibbz wrote:
asked a question in the hfck thread and nobody replied.what does deferred tax mean? shall it be paid at a future date or does the company await to claim it via not receiving refunds and instead paying that deferred tax. NB i have zero accounting knowledge


@mibbz I personally wouldn't know where to start without turning it into a lecture or a consultancy!
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#18 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:45:36 AM
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mibbz wrote:
asked a question in the hfck thread and nobody replied.what does deferred tax mean? shall it be paid at a future date or does the company await to claim it via not receiving refunds and instead paying that deferred tax. NB i have zero accounting knowledge


I would also want to know what deferred tax means.
I tried wikipedia and google and i got mixed up, The closest i have been to the the field was in form two on a business education class in high school.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:50:14 AM
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Like guru said,deferred tax is a complicated issue.Anyway hope this helps.Any questions I'll try to answer them the best I can.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/01/09/understanding-deferred-tax-assets.aspx

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deferredtaxasset.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_tax
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#20 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:36:19 AM
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mibbz wrote:
asked a question in the hfck thread and nobody replied.what does deferred tax mean?


Two concepts: Current tax and Deferred tax.

Current tax - is the tax payable (or refund due)to KRA in that year, based on tax laws.

Tax laws determine profit differently from accounting principles.

Consider a bond held for trading at 100. Value of bond goes up to 110 and HF books a profit of 10. However, Tax of 3 (30%) is only paid if the bond is actually sold. So no current tax.

Deferred tax - tax payable or recoverable in future.

In the example above HF has an asset of 110 in balance sheet. They know if the sell it they will pay tax on the 10 profit they already booked.

So they will record the tax they are likely to pay once they sell the asset as deferred tax liability in their balance sheet.

When they actually sell the bond, they will move the tax of 3 from balance sheet to profit and loss. Thats how the P&L is affected.

Note: A simplified example.
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