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Housing Finance FY 2012 pretax profit 7% down and 0.70 dividend
ProverB
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:25:34 PM
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guru267 wrote:
I agree 2013 & 2014 will be much better!

At 20bob P/E is 6.20 and dividend yield is 7%...

Mighty cheap if you ask me!


..just on the line.

..for me..it's a buy @18 or below.. otherwise..will sit out as i've done thus far.
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guru267
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:40:26 PM
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ProverB wrote:
guru267 wrote:
I agree 2013 & 2014 will be much better!

At 20bob P/E is 6.20 and dividend yield is 7%...

Mighty cheap if you ask me!


..just on the line.

..for me..it's a buy @18 or below.. otherwise..will sit out as i've done thus far.


Laughing out loudly This is comedy..

When it was at 15bob guys were telling me stories about waiting for 13bob!

When it was at 17.50bob guys were saying strongly they were waiting at15bob..

If A stock is cheap just buy.. You never know what tomorrow will bring!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
ProverB
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:53:33 PM
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guru267 wrote:
ProverB wrote:
guru267 wrote:
I agree 2013 & 2014 will be much better!

At 20bob P/E is 6.20 and dividend yield is 7%...

Mighty cheap if you ask me!


..just on the line.

..for me..it's a buy @18 or below.. otherwise..will sit out as i've done thus far.


Laughing out loudly This is comedy..

When it was at 15bob guys were telling me stories about waiting for 13bob!

When it was at 17.50bob guys were saying strongly they were waiting at15bob..

If A stock is cheap just buy.. You never know what tomorrow will bring!


It's not about how cheap the stock is..but what other alternatives to that stock are there.. my priority is on stocks with >8% div yield and a p/e less than 6% and a PSR less than 1... HFCK comes to that threshhold at a price of 17.5 and below..
..it's just my criteria..has nothing to do ith cheap or expensive..just my criteria
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
mlennyma
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:53:55 PM
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Be hopeful this election might bring panic we buy more.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
kaifastus
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:42:03 PM
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Applause
guru267 wrote:
ProverB wrote:
guru267 wrote:
I agree 2013 & 2014 will be much better!

At 20bob P/E is 6.20 and dividend yield is 7%...

Mighty cheap if you ask me!


..just on the line.

..for me..it's a buy @18 or below.. otherwise..will sit out as i've done thus far.


Laughing out loudly This is comedy..

When it was at 15bob guys were telling me stories about waiting for 13bob!

When it was at 17.50bob guys were saying strongly they were waiting at15bob..

If A stock is cheap just buy.. You never know what tomorrow will bring!

Very true guru,very true. .If it had indeed moved to 15 the same guys would change their minds to wait it at 12,11 and so on. .. what they fail to realise is that the fundtl reasons that cud make a stock tank that much will eventually change their descisions...well most of the time
sparkly
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:57:50 PM
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ProverB wrote:
guru267 wrote:
ProverB wrote:
guru267 wrote:
I agree 2013 & 2014 will be much better!

At 20bob P/E is 6.20 and dividend yield is 7%...

Mighty cheap if you ask me!


..just on the line.

..for me..it's a buy @18 or below.. otherwise..will sit out as i've done thus far.


Laughing out loudly This is comedy..

When it was at 15bob guys were telling me stories about waiting for 13bob!

When it was at 17.50bob guys were saying strongly they were waiting at15bob..

If A stock is cheap just buy.. You never know what tomorrow will bring!


It's not about how cheap the stock is..but what other alternatives to that stock are there.. my priority is on stocks with >8% div yield and a p/e less than 6% and a PSR less than 1... HFCK comes to that threshhold at a price of 17.5 and below..
..it's just my criteria..has nothing to do ith cheap or expensive..just my criteria


Which stocks meet your criteria, time being? Guesing WTK.
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Aguytrying
#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:09:54 PM
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We need a head count here. Bus imejaa.
We shouted for ppl to buy at 15 but they wanted 13.
@mlenny. I like ur 60 prediction 2014 Dec. I predict 30 end this year . 40 end 2014. But id be happier if ur right.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
new
#28 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:54:43 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
We need a head count here. Bus imejaa.
We shouted for ppl to buy at 15 but they wanted 13.
@mlenny. I like ur 60 prediction 2014 Dec. I predict 30 end this year . 40 end 2014. But id be happier if ur right.


one happy passenger right here,
May @Mlenny's prediction come true.

kindly somebody post a link to those FY2012 financials, thank you
Dum vivimus, vivamus.
cnn
#29 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:29:31 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
We need a head count here. Bus imejaa.
We shouted for ppl to buy at 15 but they wanted 13.
@mlenny. I like ur 60 prediction 2014 Dec. I predict 30 end this year . 40 end 2014. But id be happier if ur right.

I have been shooting for a top ten holding on this one right from 15 ,going for the dividend yield and better financials in the coming year.I got shut out with a quarter of my purchase not done,when the price went above my buy limit price of my 18.50,i will be glad if went back to that level so i can complete my buying .My buy average buy is 17.1 for a substantial holding and an 8% dividend yield.


mlennyma
#30 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:35:26 AM
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There is big growth potential for hfck in the counties which need housing and this company can only do well.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
dunkang
#31 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:18:47 PM
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FY2012 Report here
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

VituVingiSana
#32 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:56:52 PM
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cnn wrote:
holycow wrote:
BloombergNews Africa (@BNAfrica) tweeted at 5:51 PM on Tue, Feb 19, 2013:
@Housing_Finance of #Kenya FY profit rises 19% to 743m Shillings

That would beat my expectations,i was expecting a flat year or slight dip in profits.
Well, in reality [absent the tax deferred gain] that is what happened...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#33 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:01:45 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Net NPA are up a whooping 79% to KES 1,715,096,000 from KES 958,956,000 in 2011
Whooping is a sound. Whopping means 'large/huge'. Yes, you may whoop after a whopping gain smile
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwekez@ji
#34 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:11:56 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Net NPA are up a whooping 79% to KES 1,715,096,000 from KES 958,956,000 in 2011
Whooping is a sound. Whopping means 'large/huge'. Yes, you may whoop after a whopping gain smile

he he .... tru dat chief smile ... and have noted the same NPA headache in NIC FY 12 results Sad
mwekez@ji
#35 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:30:04 AM
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holycow wrote:
mibbz wrote:
Never done accounting past std 7 so accountants help me understand what does deferred tax mean? shall they pay it in future or are they awaiting a tax holiday/refund so as to eat into the deferred tax?


Same here.


HFCK deferred the payment of KES 190.6 million worth of taxes to future years.

The deferred taxes were brought by the recognition of historical losses by subsidiary Kenya Building Society (KBS) which the HFCK revived last year after more than 15 years in dormancy.
mwekez@ji
#36 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:54:14 AM
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VituVingiSana
#37 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:20:51 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Net NPA are up a whooping 79% to KES 1,715,096,000 from KES 958,956,000 in 2011
Whooping is a sound. Whopping means 'large/huge'. Yes, you may whoop after a whopping gain smile

he he .... tru dat chief smile ... and have noted the same NPA headache in NIC FY 12 results Sad
High interest rates [rates jumped from 14% to 28% & though down to 18%] stressed borrowers.
Customer A borrows 1mn & pays 14% per annum in interest. Perhaps even a little principal... Then rates jump to 28% which means 2x interest payments required. Forget the principal repayments. The customer is 'stressed' unless he can find another source of income. What happens is the customer defaults & the bank starts providing [via NPA] for them.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:23:23 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
holycow wrote:
mibbz wrote:
Never done accounting past std 7 so accountants help me understand what does deferred tax mean? shall they pay it in future or are they awaiting a tax holiday/refund so as to eat into the deferred tax?

Same here.

HFCK deferred the payment of KES 190.6 million worth of taxes to future years.

The deferred taxes were brought by the recognition of historical losses by subsidiary Kenya Building Society (KBS) which the HFCK revived last year after more than 15 years in dormancy.
Well, the folks at KRA may disallow the DTA. Look what they did with Coca-Cola bottlers, Bidco & BBK. Could HFCK win? Yes. After spending time & cash.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwekez@ji
#39 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:58:37 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Net NPA are up a whooping 79% to KES 1,715,096,000 from KES 958,956,000 in 2011
Whooping is a sound. Whopping means 'large/huge'. Yes, you may whoop after a whopping gain smile

he he .... tru dat chief smile ... and have noted the same NPA headache in NIC FY 12 results Sad
High interest rates [rates jumped from 14% to 28% & though down to 18%] stressed borrowers.
Customer A borrows 1mn & pays 14% per annum in interest. Perhaps even a little principal... Then rates jump to 28% which means 2x interest payments required. Forget the principal repayments. The customer is 'stressed' unless he can find another source of income. What happens is the customer defaults & the bank starts providing [via NPA] for them.


... and not out of the woods yet. HFCK MD Frank Ireri sees higher inflation in Q1 this year. “Tied to that will be resultant monetary policies in terms of interest rates,” he said. Higher interest rates “would eat into their net interest income” and raise interest expenses as they did in the first half of 2012, Nairobi-based AIB Capital Ltd. has said in an e- mailed note to clients. The high interest rates would also raise the level of NPA.
mwekez@ji
#40 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:13:22 AM
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