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'Brave new world' - conversation on postmodern cosmology.
tycho
#131 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 5:14:25 PM
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@ChessMaster, the perceptual system is the control mechanism of a given energy system which is always in pursuit of equilibrium.

That is, the perceptual system is a measure of difference between the ideal state of equilibrium and 'present' conditions, and the homeostatic resultant.

Perception is the energic interchanges of form and matter, at various energy levels. Thus frequency range differentiation is not only possible, but a reality in itself.

About teleporting. Both methods are correct and even the same in essence. This becomes easier to understand when you consider how we can use the 'Evernet' idea to teleport. One just has to wear a helmet to transfer neurological information to his digital image. The teleportation is complete if smart devices can transfer sights and scents and other sensible qualities. So matter is both transferred and copied.

Yes Numerology is not only interesting but true. We can be sure of this because numbers are symbols.
ChessMaster
#132 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 6:04:53 PM
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I like that.It implies perceptual systems are aware of truth and work to bring equilibrium between reality and truth.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#133 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:52:19 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
I like that.It implies perceptual systems are aware of truth and work to bring equilibrium between reality and truth.


Reality and truth. Illusions are indeed part of reality.

But what is illusion? I'd say it is a perceptual experience that corressponds to a past experience, or a perceptual inference made from past experience, but that doesn't present similar relationships like those experienced in the past.

And hence poses challenges to the 'I' concept.

That is, illusions help us to get closer to the truth. Without illusion, there'd be no Science.

Religion can only attain its purposes if it's scientific.

ChessMaster
#134 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:00:47 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
I like that.It implies perceptual systems are aware of truth and work to bring equilibrium between reality and truth.


Reality and truth. Illusions are indeed part of reality.

But what is illusion? I'd say it is a perceptual experience that corressponds to a past experience, or a perceptual inference made from past experience, but that doesn't present similar relationships like those experienced in the past.

And hence poses challenges to the 'I' concept.

That is, illusions help us to get closer to the truth. Without illusion, there'd be no Science.

Religion can only attain its purposes if it's scientific.



Past experiences can affect expectations and thus support illusions but what about situations that are based on the future. I think religion is on a higher plane than science. On that is based on truth even though they can't prove it.Faith and science won't mix so well.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#135 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:14:19 PM
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Religious words have meaning, hence truth.

How can one find the truth then? Faith?

Even science rests on faith! And therefore Science is also about the future.

ChessMaster
#136 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:42:30 PM
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Yes it all comes back to faith.But its a tricky thing,because the same faith can lead on to truth or illusions. I think thats why Einstein was focused on imagination,its also about the future and possibilities.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#137 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:58:54 PM
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Let us consider some religious words in the context of our conversation:

'Faith comes through hearing the Word'.

That is, faith comes through perception. Perception works to distinguish truth from illusion.

Hence faith comes through science.

I am overwhelmed by the no. of examples I can give.

'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free'.

Consider what 'believing in the truth' without 'knowing the truth!'

One cannot be free in such a case. His faith will lack action.

How does God account for the perishing of His people?

Look at how other world religions have dealt with science. What can you see?
tycho
#138 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:04:14 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Yes it all comes back to faith.But its a tricky thing,because the same faith can lead on to truth or illusions. I think thats why Einstein was focused on imagination,its also about the future and possibilities.


Illusions are good. They don't hinder truth in any way!

One is allowed to have faith in an illusion but also expected to test and confirm the truth.

Imagination is about ordering and reordering perception.

Even Revelation is a perceptual experience, and must be ordered and re-ordered.
ChessMaster
#139 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:16:17 PM
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tycho wrote:
Let us consider some religious words in the context of our conversation:

'Faith comes through hearing the Word'.

That is, faith comes through perception. Perception works to distinguish truth from illusion.

Hence faith comes through science.

I am overwhelmed by the no. of examples I can give.

'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free'.

Consider what 'believing in the truth' without 'knowing the truth!'

One cannot be free in such a case. His faith will lack action.

How does God account for the perishing of His people?

Look at how other world religions have dealt with science. What can you see?


I see your point.The truth has to be revealed eventually.His people perish for a lack of knowledge,hence science.A machine for generating knowledge.I also agree now,illusions are not bad,just test and confirm.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#140 Posted : Friday, March 01, 2013 10:04:38 AM
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