@ChessMaster, if all is energy, then knowledge is energy (power).

So is spirituality energy! So how can I speak truth that is not spiritual?

Besides, what is philosophy about if not the 'I' concept?

@Tycho, Digitex, Chessmaster.

Sorry I was distracted (you should warn me when I get an honorable mention in your thread).

But I see the debate has moved on without me. And here I was, thinking you hang on to my every word. My ego has a major case with you.

There is little of value I can add to your conversation. Just this:

1. Human evolution travels in phases. The 'man-god' phase is usually the most difficult and confusing.

2. That we have had no eruption of bible thumping proclamations - and consignments to eternal damnation - tells me we have no real 'Christian right' on Wazua. Or maybe the thread is too boring for them.

2. 'Unity' is the TOE. All we need is proof.I am working on it. We might actually find it in our lifetimes.

3. Finally, a question: "If I could prove to you that there was no heaven, would you still believe in God?" Why/Why not?

@ChessMaster, I'd say spirituality, is a quality of how an entity's perceptual system works in relation to how it should work.

@Wakanyugi, what you are thinking is supposed to be the Christian right, is actually Man God.

To prove that there's no heaven, you'd need to define new limits of human being that do not have God in it.

That is, you'd have to prove that there's no human being. Can you?

As for imagination, it is part of the perceptual system. Imagination is triggered, nourished and controlled by perception.

@Tycho: First I assume you are a human 'being' even though you refused to tell me what exactly it is that you are' being.'

I think I have proved to 'you' that you don't exist. If the reality we take for granted is an illusion, how could you exist? How could heaven/hell exist?

So would you still believe in God if you knew there was no pot of honey at the end of the rainbow? You can be honest, now. You are among friends.