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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Wakanyugi, lets think about Einstein's statement on time.
Time exists to prevent uncontrollable events.
That is, time is a control mechanism, in a system with many events.
And if time is a control, then it is a force. Hence energy.
You have done well to mention biological functions, do they exist?
They definitely exist. That is why even though conceptually we do not believe in Gravity, we wouldn't dare to throw ourselves over a cliff.
I don't know, have you practiced meditation by 'following the breath'? In it you let the body breath on its own volition. This breath is timed. In this state of being, one can feel the inner organs moving at the same rate.
If you haven't had this experience, then you'd definitely have a hard time knowing how the body deals with time.
And let me ask, why should the body deal with spatial control and fail to deal with time?
Consider this: If time doesn't exist, then there can be no relativity.
So I ask myself, why would a person construct an argument on premises that don't exist to prove that something else doesn't exist?
Surely, this has been the predicament of Man for so long!
Religion without science, is falsehood, and neither is the converse true!
We have been living under false premises. We are living in a false city. Babylon.
Let Man God, set it ablaze!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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And if time is a control,then it is a force.Hence energy! Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?
What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond? A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy. There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being. Seems you know. Now just confirm,how important is consciousness in Man God? Consciousness is of vital importance. Another way of looking at it is 'Presence', in ultimate being. Explain 'Presence'.To me consciousness is everything and is what defines Man God It's not just about consciousness, like in awareness of ultimate being, but also emotiveness, or worship. This is the meaning of presence. We are in agreement when it comes to Man God.I think that knowledge is my greatest discovery. I am very glad and honored to hear this. You are most welcome to nobility! This, is Revolution. Sorry to barge in...Exactly what is revolutionary here? Scholars have known about the apotheosis of man for eons.  Even the creationist admit God made man in his own image and gave him dominion over earth..so basically a co creator with him aka 'mangod'  And what is this nobility, who are its leaders I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Good question digitek! And in fact, I am asking myself, if indeed you are Man God; why aren't you rejoicing when Man God is everyone?
This to me, is Revolution. It is a radical change in how we live.
Why is Man God in need of a leader? Man God is free!
Man God is not a club, it is being. It is authenticity.
Surely, if you are Man God, you should be speaking from the throne. Are you? If you are, why are you asking about your nobility?
Obviously, you weren't aware of this fact when you came!
That, to me, is Revolution.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:Good question digitek! And in fact, I am asking myself, if indeed you are Man God; why aren't you rejoicing when Man God is everyone?
This to me, is Revolution. It is a radical change in how we live.
Why is Man God in need of a leader? Man God is free!
Man God is not a club, it is being. It is authenticity.
Surely, if you are Man God, you should be speaking from the throne. Are you? If you are, why are you asking about your nobility?
Obviously, you weren't aware of this fact when you came!
That, to me, is Revolution.
I don't think I need to say more. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran You have been a member since:: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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@Tycho; You still offer no proof to rebut my theses. However you raise many interesting points. Allow me to pick and chose: "That is, time is a control mechanism, in a system with many events.
And if time is a control, then it is a force. Hence energy."Pray tell, what exactly does time control? Time is an illusion, pure and simple. If time is an instrument, it is 'our' instrument and exists only because we do. Do you think animals and trees experience time the way we do? I doubt it. And you lose me when you say that 'Force' = Energy. I think you are pressing the word 'force' into a service for which it is unsuited (force as in 'to push', therefore expending energy). There are many 'forces' that have have no energy equivalent. Moral force; force of argument' for instance, are these energy? "I don't know, have you practiced meditation by 'following the breath'?"No. So I am afraid I can't speak to this. "And let me ask, why should the body deal with spatial control and fail to deal with time?"The body deals with both space and time illusions. My point was evolution has allocated many bodily instruments to deal with space but seemingly none to time. I think evolution knows how to conserve effort. "Consider this: If time doesn't exist, then there can be no relativity."Exactly. There is no relativity. Only unity. Scientists have long posited that the laws of physics cease to exist in a black hole singularity. Well, we live in one. Right here. "So I ask myself, why would a person construct an argument on premises that don't exist to prove that something else doesn't exist?"How would you prefer that I do it? I still await your proof that time and space exist. Otherwise we can move on to more productive pursuits. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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nobility implies that there are others who are serfs, nobility is is for the few. We cant all be kings.Even in Gods kingdom there is hierarchy. I never claimed to be a mangod, you did. God is ultimately the ulitimate. we can be like him ..its an evolutionary process..but we cannnot be him at the same time and be man. His spirit can dwell in us as but we cannot be man and God at the same time . it has been tried many times since babel I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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digitek1 wrote:nobility implies that there are others who are serfs, nobility is is for the few. We cant all be kings.Even in Gods kingdom there is hierarchy. I never claimed to be a mangod, you did. God is ultimately the ulitimate. we can be like him ..its an evolutionary process..but we cannnot be him at the same time and be man. His spirit can dwell in us as but we cannot be man and God at the same time . it has been tried many times since babel
Everyone is a serf.Nobility in this sense is the opportunity to serve.Its not about hierarchy,its about everyone being given an opportunity.We can never be like God,through evolution or any other means.He reigns supreme,but He can accept us as children,Man God. It's not by action you become a Man God but by faith in God.Its a reward.Basically you have to understand,tycho has come to the realization of what God promises us through Jesus. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,579
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May i propose the following thought experiment before we ridicule scientist, the best including Einstein, Neils Bohr, Newton, Kopler have some interesting positions on reality, God, light e.t.c, they are not enemies of religion. 1. Shroedingers Cat Please also study Einsteins exchange with Niels Bohr about "God does not play dice"..google it.. at the 1927 Solvay conference where many of the scientific dimensions of philosophy have remained to date. I will then lead you to a video from a foremost scientist who can explain how you can be anyone, anywhere, at anytime, dead or alive, if you like "a scientific connection to God" then perhaps pursue your enlightenment from a more friendly stance to conventional science rather than pseudoscience. Note, God is truth, so do not fear truth, science is the best truth we have so far, my best perception of God is "I AM WHO I AM", so putting God "in a box" whether a particular religion, or your own world view is neither here nor there, God and religion are two different things. Baruch Spinoza, an excellent philosopher on Ethics and spirituality is another good one to study. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Much Know wrote:May i propose the following thought experiment before we ridicule scientist, the best including Einstein, Neils Bohr, Newton, Kopler have some interesting positions on reality, God, light e.t.c, they are not enemies of religion. 1. Shroedingers Cat
Please also study Einsteins exchange with Niels Bohr about "God does not play dice"..google it.. at the 1927 Solvay conference where many of the scientific dimensions of philosophy have remained to date.
I will then lead you to a video from a foremost scientist who can explain how you can be anyone, anywhere, at anytime, dead or alive, if you like "a scientific connection to God" then perhaps pursue your enlightenment from a more friendly stance to conventional science rather than pseudoscience.
Note, God is truth, so do not fear truth, science is the best truth we have so far, my best perception of God is "I AM WHO I AM", so putting God "in a box" whether a particular religion, or your own world view is neither here nor there, God and religion are two different things. Baruch Spinoza, an excellent philosopher on Ethics and spirituality is another good one to study. All science is pseudoscience before it is proven. Religion and science are both looking for truth but with different methods. I agree God and religion are two different things.Now,my question is because I'm a bit lost,what is your point?We shouldn't assume we know or we should give science its due respect or... Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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