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ChessMaster wrote:josiah33 wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning. Try and figure out what this mean, maybe there's some clue there- Quote: eternity is neither infinitely back from the present moment nor infinitely ahead from the present moment, eternity is contained in atemporal space, it meaning in this present moment. I am having a headache just trying to understand what that means. Eternity starts with 0+1+1+....infinity. You can't infinitely count back to the past because you reach to zero at some point.The start. Each moment of progression is a moment in eternity because even eternity plays out moment by moment. Well, well...do i still need to tell u about the beginning?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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tycho wrote:Landing is a very serious matter. Hehe this coming from u is damn funny. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Hehehehe! now i know where @tycho got that username- Tycho Brahe.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@josiah33 - No. @tycho - If we discover other physically intelligent life forms like ourselves,will man still remain at the center. @simonkabz - Enyewe,anything tycho is a mystery to wazuans. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:tycho wrote:Landing is a very serious matter. Hehe this coming from u is damn funny. Why? Hahaha!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:@josiah33 - No.
@tycho - If we discover other physically intelligent life forms like ourselves,will man still remain at the center.
@simonkabz - Enyewe,anything tycho is a mystery to wazuans. Of course! Man will still be the center! Man, is now sitted on the throne as 'Man God'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@josiah33 - No.
@tycho - If we discover other physically intelligent life forms like ourselves,will man still remain at the center.
@simonkabz - Enyewe,anything tycho is a mystery to wazuans. Of course! Man will still be the center! Man, is now sitted on the throne as ' Man God'.  I like that. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning. Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts. But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning. Can we have an end without a beginning?  Another question,does space have a beginning? Your question again falls into the above trap. And thinking about it, it was the same trap that led to the 'Tychonic system' which was Tycho Brahe's attempt to reconcile religion and science in the early days of the Scientific revolution. He was sure that Man was 'the' center of the universe, but natural science, had shown that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, even in terms of 'attention'. Tycho had to cling on the idea that the sun and moon moved around the earth, while the other planets revolved around the sun. But now we can modify the Tychonic system as: Man, is the Unifier of the perception to ultimate being, and is thus, at 'the' center of the universe. I think we need to define exclusively what we understood by the term "existence". Does existence refer to availability or being? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Impunity, existence has to be an inclusive of both availability, and being.
For if, there's availability, then the available must be.
And so must being imply availability.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@josiah33 - No.
@tycho - If we discover other physically intelligent life forms like ourselves,will man still remain at the center.
@simonkabz - Enyewe,anything tycho is a mystery to wazuans. Of course! Man will still be the center! Man, is now sitted on the throne as ' Man God'. I like that. You are most welcome to Nobility.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@Impunity and tycho - What is availability in the sense of existence? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:@Impunity and tycho - What is availability in the sense of existence? Self consciousness and action.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@Impunity and tycho - What is availability in the sense of existence? Self consciousness and action. How is that different from being? Hypnosis - Basically boils down to programming the brain to bypass the mind. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@Impunity and tycho - What is availability in the sense of existence? Self consciousness and action. How is that different from being? Hypnosis - Basically boils down to programming the brain to bypass the mind. It is not different. It includes being in other forms. The brain is a tool of the mind. The mind cannot be bypassed. Hypnosis is 'mind control' by the introduction of concepts through stealth. And is a characteristic of a Master - Slave relationship and is not mutual, or loving.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@Impunity and tycho - What is availability in the sense of existence? Self consciousness and action. How is that different from being? Hypnosis - Basically boils down to programming the brain to bypass the mind. It is not different. It includes being in other forms. The brain is a tool of the mind. The mind cannot be bypassed. Hypnosis is 'mind control' by the introduction of concepts through stealth. And is a characteristic of a Master - Slave relationship and is not mutual, or loving. So availability is all inclusive 'being' is different. That's why I don't like hypnosis,its not based on good. The conscious mind is bypassed not the unconscious mind. When you say stealth thats what I mean by bypassing,concepts and information the brain is aware is receiving but the conscious mind is not.Although I think hypnosis can't make someone do what they don't want. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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CHANCE: action based on luck or fortune, risk or hazard NATURE: action based on inherent qualities or personality traits COMPULSION: action based on irrational, irresistible impulses HABIT: action based on customs or practiced behavior REASON: action based on a premise or cause in a belief, action, or event PASSION: action based on a strong emotion, motive, or sexual desire DESIRE: action based on a longing, craving, or want Aristotles 7 causes of all human action,was he right or did he miss something/? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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tycho wrote:
Of course! Man will still be the center!
Man, is now sitted on the throne as 'Man God'.
Wow! Hold on Tycho. When did we put man in the centre? Nani alitoa hiyo amri? Hebu jaribu tena. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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Wakanyugi wrote:[quote=tycho]
Of course! Man will still be the center!
Man, is now sitted on the throne as 'Man God'. Here is simple, 'scientific' proof that man is not the center. The good book says "By their fruits (creations) ye shall know them." If man wanted to be the centre, she would have created a two dimensional Universe as the primary reality. A four dimensional Universe has infinite centres. In other words, every point in/on a closed Universe, one with light as the finite limiter, is the 'center.' In (still) other words: "as long as you can't see any edge, you are in the centre. So is everyone and everything else. But that is not what you meant, was it? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Wakanyugi, which good book have you been reading?
Sit down and read the book of Revelation, and do some critical thinking, and you'll find my words are most solidly defended.
Go to Genesis, and you'll find Man as the perceptual center.
Everything you say, and do, must begin with subjectivity.
Go back to the history of science, and there you'll Find Man God on the throne.
Amri imetoka wapi? Your role is not granting permission, it is being to the ultimate.
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